Camp MFM Recap: The Real MrBeast, Kamikaze Commitment and More

So he's got a runner. Basically he's got a dude outside the house at all times, just sitting in his car. Twenty four hours a day. It's a personal door dash. So if he ever needed something, I don't know if you noticed, he was like, Oh, I want to play settlers of Catan. So he's like, Hey, can you go get Catan? And the guy would just run to the store, go get Katan, bring it back within 15 minutes. What? He was outside our house?

The whole time. And he's outside the studio. Wherever he goes. These two people are there tw twelve hour shifts each. So twenty four hours a day? Yeah he's got somebody just w watching his back.

Alright, so I guess we we're all gonna we all wanna talk about the same thing, right? Yeah, this is gonna be The Camp M FM Recap episode.

I'm pretty sure that's all we're gonna talk about because It was kind of amazing and I got a lot of things to say. I have a lot of things to say. Let me set the background because you're the one who organized it. So I think you need a third party here. So basically a month ago, Sean said I'm gonna organize a basketball weekend. And I want you to come and I'm gonna invite some other people. Please Venmo me eighteen hundred dollars.

And show up at this address at this time. That's pretty much all I knew about. I didn't know anything else. And I think it was three weeks in advance, right? Yeah, something like that. Three, four weeks in advance. And in between then it got sort of canceled and put back on again. Because I know that I couldn't first I couldn't get anybody to come. Uh I invited five people. The first of the first five people, only one said yes. And I was like, Yeah, maybe maybe maybe this idea is only good in my head. And Ben, not producer, Ben, business partner Ben.

pushed it through and he was like No, I think we could do it. And then we ended up with like twenty seven people there. And oftentimes When I'm saying Sean is doing X, Y, and Z, in reality I mean Ben. So Ben was it seemed like was really the backbone here. You maybe had the idea. I don't know who had the idea, but Ben Levy was the guy and he did a really good job. So basically three weeks out, it just says, Hey, uh come to North Carolina Uh in Raleigh, but near Duke, and we're gonna have a basketball camp.

And Just show up. That's all I knew. And then I get an email, I book my flight, I sent you eighteen hundred dollars. I uh I I

A day before you sent out Who's Coming and it was like me and you, both bands Uh a couple HubSpot people like Jonathan, and then it was like Hassan Minha Hassan Minhaj, it was Mr. Beast, and it was like twenty other really amazing entrepreneurs. And you rented out this Shoot, I don't know. Like uh basically or farm. It's like a vinegary, yeah. Yeah, with like a lake and a zip line going into the lake. And it was like twenty four entrepreneurs and you hired this amazing basketball trainer who was also an entrepreneur, so he like fit in and was really insightful. And we uh

You had like You kinda half assed the incredibly unimportant things. Like there is like when we went and played basketball, I was like, Hey, is there any food here? And you're like well, there's just a bunch of boxes of cliff bars. Uh and like oh okay, that's okay. I'm okay with half ass on that thing. So anyway, we all stayed in these two Airbnbs and just played like Board of games and like Acted like twelve year olds.

for uh like two nights and it was amazing. It was so cool. Yeah, it was basically a summer camp. For grown ups. And um The origin of it is pretty simple. Like I like

I love meeting new people, I should say. I actually genuinely love meeting new people. In fact the podcast was originally started as a w excuse to just get to talk to really fascinating, interesting people. But I hate most of the traditional ways to do it. I don't like going to conferences. I don't like going to networking events. I hate just being like hey you want to grab coffee Um, so so I basically was like, look

There's a bunch of people who I think are Dope. I would love to hang out with them, get to know them. Yeah. Strangers become friends.

Friends become lovers, that whole that whole thing. And then finally I was like, what if I just did it instead of a networking event or a conference, like what if we just did it with something that Uh it would be dope no matter who came. And so we can't this idea for a basketball getaway. And we're like, All right, here's the criteria. They love basketball. Number two.

They're a great hang. And number which is just great hanging out with. And number three. that they can teach us something because they're a baller in their own craft, whatever that craft is. And so that's why we had people who in the house that had built billion dollar companies. We had people who bootstrapped their way into, you know, tens of millions, and that's where they were. We had people that were entertainers like Mr Beast or Hussin who had millions and millions of fans and were creative talents. We had people that used to be in the NSA. We had a bunch of people from different backgrounds come up.

And uh and join this thing. So that was the criteria And that's basically how it played out. And I'm pretty sure, by the way, that it was the best weekend of Ben's life. Like Ben, I don't know if we're married or Ben Wilson. I don't know if we got married over the weekend but

I wanna Ben I wanna talk about Ben in the middle or the end, but I have a feeling I told Ben before we recorded, I go, Ben, the next six months in your life are g I think are gonna have the most change you've ever experienced in your life. Totally agree. Totally agree with that. In fact, I was gonna text you something very, very similar, which is like I don't know if you realize this yet. But your life is about to change, uh because you can't really go through

Um You can't just be surrounded by wildly ambitious people. Who like and believe in you. And sp uh spend time, you know, seeing other people who have realized their dream come true.

And not go back to your house and look at yourself a little differently in the mirror. Like you're gonna look at yourself and be like, All right. Let's turn that ambition knob up to notches, right? Let's ha let's turn that faith and belief in myself up because I saw that these people are no smarter better than me. They're just people like me. There's They just went for it.

All those s quote smarter, quote better, quote more successful people we're looking up to Ben. Did you notice that? Yeah, and well there was just a feeling of I I wouldn't even say looking up necessarily. It's more like equals. I think everybody f everybody there viewed themselves as an equal to everybody else. I'm sure everybody there had a moment where they were like, dude, I'm way out of place. Some people are like into basketball. They're like, Oh, you know, I I play basketball, but I'm not really like that into basketball. So some people maybe fall out of place there a little bit. Some people fell out of place in the house'cause they didn't know anybody. They saw everybody else, you know, half the people knew the other half, but

But some people knew nobody coming in. And half the people and then some people I bet fell out of place'cause they said, Wow, I'm talking to this guy who's You know leaps and bounds further ahead in their business career. But everybody had to deal with that and then come to terms with that. I think that's, you know, part of

It's part of the part of the challenge. So s say your piece, Ben, and then I wanna actually want to come back to you and then me and Sean Uh Sean, I want to go like You go, I go, you go, I go of like the things that we learned this weekend.'Cause I know that you have a list and I have a list. Yeah, great. So Ben do a quick one first. Uh, there's just so much to say. It was one of the best weekends of my life. It was so amazing.

Uh Sean, I just I guess I would ask There's like a really special feeling that is very difficult to convey. Uh throughout the entire weekend. Uh you guys touched on it a little bit of just Yeah. Like no egos, even though people are at very different places, like

There was just this really feeling of openness and connection and like Even though there were these really, really successful people in all these different domains, like very little dick swinging, like everyone just uh on the same level learning from each other. Uh it was very cool. Sean, like what do you think it was that went into this weekend that created that environment where people were able to like feel that way and be that way with each other. I think it's three things. You actually mentioned two of them.

First was the weekend felt very special. And I think that with you When people feel like they're a part of something bigger than themselves, when people h uh have a little bit of awe or intrigue or curiosity or fear even. they get out of they're out of their comfort zone. And so part of it was If you make something that f that feels special, that feels different, that inspires some awe or some

They they they don't know what's coming next. It brings everybody back to sort of like an equal footing of the sort of a childlike thing. I remember When Uh so we invited Alex Basil, who's a trainer to to a bunch of NBA stars like Kyrie Irving and Trey Young. This guy's like, you know, he's like the top of his craft. He trains like he came from training like, you know, Kevin Durant to us. He sent us a clip. He's like, here's what I was doing today. Tomorrow I'll be seeing you schmucks. And like, right, like

You know, but that first five minutes I would say when he had us Doing very simple like drills. Everybody was spread throughout this whole private gym that we had rented. And we're all literally dribbling the ball almost a accidentally in unison, like that old Nike commercial where all the the thing the beats sync sync up. There was little pockets, little moments like that where it just felt special. And um You know, so so I think that's the first piece is you gotta give people a feeling that they're part of something bigger than themselves. Number two.

Um You invite people Who are inherently curious. So Everybody there, I would say actually has an ego. Everybody there has an ego, otherwise they wouldn't get to where they were.

But bigger than their ego is their curiosity. And so as long as you can create the curiosity factor where who's this person? Oh, they're interesting. Oh, they're interesting, they're interesting. Then again the attention go they're so used to attention being on them. They're so used to being the most interesting person in the room. So you want people who are naturally curious about the people around them. So even the sort of quote unquote celebrities or kind of the big hitters. that we had in the house that were maybe the the wealthiest or the most popular people that were there.

I picked specifically people that in my limited interaction with them. They were very curious. Like for example Um, when you had first met Mr. Beast, you met him before we did. You were like, Yeah, he just called me and he was like, Yeah, I'm on this walk. I do this every night. I just call somebody and say, Yo, teach me something. And I'm already I know everything I need to know about this person.

Same thing, when Huston came on the the podcast He asked me more questions than I asked him. I felt bad afterwards. I was like, dude, I just blew the podcast because he was asking me questions. I'm supposed to ask him. Nobody gives a shit about me. They wanted to know from him. But that showed me like he would fit into this group because He would be curious about oh, what's this real estate guy doing? What's this guy doing who's rolling up Like

those claw machines at amusement parks and pinball machines. And like that's what this guy does and he's building a little mini empire doing that. Right. You need somebody who's curious, otherwise they would just be like, that's weird. I don't know. Stay away from me. Right. You're different. Okay, what's your third? I would say the third was the immersion. So It wasn't like a you couldn't get away. For better or for worse. Like normally you go to a dinner, you sit there for three hours, it's sort of a safe space, you know the routine. And then you leave and you get to go back to your place. So you can you can stay surface level with a lot of people. With this, it's like, dude, I'm sleeping in in the same room as somebody else sometimes. Uh definitely under one roof for the house. We're eating breakfast together, lunch together, dinner together, we're figuring out logistics. Oh, you want to shower first or me? So you get people out. Did I share a room with two other guys?

Yeah, exactly. Ben chaired a bed. Yeah, Ben I Ben had one of our crashers. So I think he had to you you invited him, so you had to deal with that. Yeah, that's right. Uh but I think that's the other thing. Is it so immersive that there's nowhere to run. And at some point you're gonna just be your real self. 'Cause you can only fake the funk for so long. You can do it for two hours, three hours, four hours. By hour five You're just gonna be sitting there, you know

Tired and cranky, and you're gonna be your real self. And like that's just the way it was. So I think that those are the three things I would say that like created that environment. Well, and I was gonna say it started from the top down. I mean I would I would say mostly it was your brand. Partially it was the brand you and I have created together, which is actually similar to both our personalities, but basically like you're a casual person.

You're a relatively low ego person as in like you're easy to be around and it kinda stemmed from from from that. So I think that actually matters a lot. Um And it was like the house we were in was kinda like gross. But in a cool way. Like people on my Twitter were like, dude, that's a sick set. You made it look like a grandmob's house. I'm like, Oh no, that's just like this woman's uh bedroom. It just looked like that. Um all right, can we get into like some of the stuff? I I've got one. Do you want to go first? I I've got one on intensity. All right, so

All right, so for the if you're under thirty five and you maybe don't know who Mr Beast is, he's a YouTuber who's only twenty four, maybe, he's got a hundred million subscribers, really big business that makes nine figures a year and he just makes tons of videos that gets viewed by Mm a lot of the world. I have an interesting story about him. So we're in a car. And I was talking about like a popular band or politics or something. I think we were even talking about a movie like Harry Potter, and I could tell That he didn't

He wasn't registering what we were talking about. He was trying to partake in the conversation and be polite, but I could tell that he didn't he didn't like know what I was saying. And I said something to him, I go, Hey, have you ever heard about this thing? And I think it was like Harry Potter or something. Or it was like it was like something like mainstream. And he goes. No, I I really just I d I I just don't know anything about that. I've never seen that. And I could tell that he didn't know this about a lot of things and I said What's going on? How do you not know about this? And he goes, When I was young, I made a goal when I was fifteen w when I was young, fifteen, I made a goal to be the most popular YouTuber in the world. And I pretty much stopped paying attention to everything else. So if whatever you're talking about is not part of like YouTube culture,

I don't know what it is. And that was incredibly interesting to me. And he he said a few other things that showed his intensity. The the second thing was um he said Um, I've gotten so big and I'm like studied and gotten great at my craft that I can't really learn too much from other YouTubers. So I talked to a lot of experts on human behavior and researchers in order to improve my craft. And also I don't really have work weeks. So I just kinda work.

And I get obsessed over stuff and I roll out of bed at ten or eight AM or whatever it is, and my team like tells me what I have to do and then I just work all night until I get tired and I go to bed and I work seven days a week and then occasionally I get burnt out and I take a couple of days or however long I need to recharge and then I do it again. I don't pay attention to uh the normal work week. The third thing that he did was he didn't care about rules. So Sean and I r did a podcast with him at about a it ended at like eleven PM And Hassan made a joke, like you want to go play ball, and uh Jim was like, uh Mr Beast's real name is Jimmy. He goes, Um, yeah, let's go right now. And as he said that, his two co workers that were with him started getting on the phone, calling high schools, principals of schools, like all these people in order to get a basketball court. And we couldn't We couldn't make it happen. But he was like really, really uh going after that to make that happen.

And I thought that was crazy interesting. And once someone said something to him someone said something like Well, what if they like don't let us for insurance reasons? And he goes, Well just tell them we'll give him a million dollars if someone gets hurt. And it was just so funny that he wasn't paying. That usually does the trick. Yeah. I was like, how many times have you done this, bro? He just didn't pay attention to to rules. I thought that was interesting. Now I'm gonna con uh contrast that with this uh other person. I'm not gonna say his name, but you know who I am uh who I'm talking about. He was a young guy in his thirties. He might have been the wealthiest person there, and he wholly owned a business that was worth probably five hundred to eight hundred million dollars and it made tens of millions uh m uh

A year in profit. And he basically told me that he worked really hard to get it going, but now he works one week a month. One week a m and then the other week a month he likes to travel. And then the other two weeks of the month he's just kinda searching so his company, he owns a bunch of companies. The other two weeks he's just online searching for other deals and companies to buy, but at a fairly casual pace. And I thought this was interesting because these two guys were the exact opposite of when you met them. One guy you'd be like, Oh, you're easy to be around, you're well balanced. The other guy, Jimmy Not well balanced at all.

But both of them had this laser focused intensity of when they're on. They're on. And they w played. uh their game at a really, really high uh highly levered, so lots of leverage. Uh a that type of scale where it was just like any time if I make a decision, the outcome is potentially big and I don't always have to make a lot of decisions.

Uh, I agree with everything you just said. And in fact, I think we could probably do a two episode series literally just on Mr. Beast, because Um and I and I don't mean that'cause I'm a fan. Like in fact I I I watch some of the things. I like yeah, I've I've watched a couple of his videos. It's not like I went in being like, Ooh, this guy's my favorite, you know, like it's not that, right? Like I he I've watched a couple of videos. It's like oh okay, I get it. That's cool. I get why that works. But like, you know, whatever. It's kind of a dumb uh you know, kind of a dumb video thing, but it's like you know, it appeals to people. It's good good.

It's good good fun. And um So it's not that, but I am now A much bigger fan of him after seeing how he operates. I'm gonna tell you a couple stories. So you didn't go for this, but a couple of us who arrived the day before. Uh Ben was there. We got to go visit his studios.

And we got to go tour his production facility, which is like I don't know, Ben, how big is that place? Like fifty thousand square feet or something like that? Like basically an airplane hanger, right? J imagine a giant airplane hangar, and on one end they're like, Oh, we're building this set over here. It's like a Hollywood production thing. So there's four production teams. Like individually, that are each creating different videos at the same time because they're all gonna get released, you know, next month or whatever. And you're like in rural North Carolina. People make this pilgrimage out to go see Warren Buffett. And they call him the Oracle of Omaha?

And I was like, man, we're and we're we're driving we're making this pilgrimage. We're driving two hours after we we flew six hours to get there. Yeah. But I was like Where are we and where are we going for this pilgrimage? And I was like, and so we get out there, but it's like had that same thing, very special. You go there and it's like This group of people who are all singularly focused on one mission. Which was

To create the best videos possible. To create the best videos that get the biggest reactions. That you know, like and that's all they were all doing. Twenty four seven, they were all just working on that. So I'm gonna tell you a couple of of kind of amazing stories from that. So we go First of all, we get into one of his videos. So in one of his videos, like th they're filming the grand finale when the person, you know, either wins or loses the money. And uh so we're like in that video.

Now, uh as just like random bystanders. But the second thing was we were like, so what is your um Like what's your model, dude? And his model is basically this. He Started off making videos with no money, just him in his bedroom doing cr dumb stuff like I'm gonna say Logan Paul's name one hundred thousand times.

I'm gonna take this plastic knife and I'm gonna cut through, I'm gonna saw through this plastic table in the next 48 hours. He just sat there taking a jagged, you know, picnic like you know plastic knife and trying to cut through the table. He would just do stuff like that. No budget, no whatever, but he knew he understood even at that time, like Okay, what would get somebody's attention? What would make them laugh? What would make them watch? What's a bit of a spectacle, low budget spectacles. Now he's doing High budget spectacles. Like we get there, there's a camera flying above us, there's fireworks and smoke bombs, and there's crazy stuff going on, right? Because now he's investing. I think on average, Ben, what is it like?

Half a million or a million dollars per video or something like that. I think they said one point five. One point five, yeah. One point five million dollars per video just on the production. That's kind of insane. And so Um the thing I admired the most about him was Okay, in that house.

There was let's say twenty five All everybody there was entrepreneurial. So if I said Who here? is entrepreneurial.

How many out of out of l let's just pretend out of a hundred percent, how many people would raise their hand? Almost all. Okay. Hundred we were at a hundred out of hundred. I said. Who here? has a clear vision of what they want.

Now how many people do you think are raising their hand? Sixty. Okay. May seven. Who here can think about that vision and can honestly say

That it is Wildly ambitious. Like Mr. B's ambition is to be, you know, a billionaire YouTube creator to get to a billion followers and make billions of dollars. He has told me that he wants to be one of the richest men on the planet, the most famous person on the planet, and president. So okay, that's his ambition. What's yours, right? So

Um, how many could just say in their own right that I'm thinking really big? I'm thinking wildly ambitious. So we're at sixty percent where we at now. Maybe twenty. Or We're down to twenty percent. And now if I ask the last question, the most important question of them all, I said

Who here is truly and totally obsessed. Meaning you are willing to give every hour of your day Every dollar you create, you're willing to reinvest back into your thing. You don't take anything off the table. You don't hedge, you don't buy that nice house, you don't buy those fancy cars, you don't put it away for for your kids. You you wake up, you do your thing till you pass out.

And you are getting every hour, every dollar and every ounce of your soul to that ambition. How many people are left how many what percent are left raising their hand? How many people remember? He might be the only one. And I would say, well, it's also because he was the youngest But That could just you know, it could play out where even if he's not the youngest, he still would have behaved that way. He would be the only one. And that's not just about that house. I could go down into San Francisco, I could say, Hey Gather around every venture backed founder here. I could go into

Uh every I can go into a uh a gymnasium full of people who all say they wanna be a big YouTuber, all say they wanna be a comedian, right? This isn't necessarily a good thing. It could be a good thing. It could also, I think, be his downfall. I think it's an incredible thing. I don't n necessarily mean it's a healthy thing, but I think it it was honestly just kind of stunning. Oh yeah, I like it it was absolutely stunning. I agree with you. But I uh but I'm saying it it it could go either way. It could be uh you know, a sh the strength could become the weakness.

There's a reason most people don't do it, I think, is what you're saying, which is like there's a price that comes with that. And that price is a price that most of us will not pay. What do you think? Think Ben. I I just think there's a couple things he said throughout the weekend that I was like, Oh, this guy is so successful, but he to Sam's point, like He's on a nice edge. If you play out his life a hundred times.

I think in like twenty five or thirty of them, he literally ends up on the street as just like an addict because he does have that obsessive personality. And if he had ended up for whatever reason obsessed with Not the right thing, that's the way it would have gone. If he if he If we had a list of like I have a list of like three things that might be his downfall. Keep in mind the guy is like twenty four, so he's gonna evolve quickly. Um but one, he was incredibly naive about business, which is actually a pro, I think, in a lot of cases. But in his case Um, I think that like you have to get a little bit less naive and learn a little bit more about business. You know, the thing you said about him cutting through a table with a plastic knife, that's kinda how he's done his life. He's just like You know what I mean? Like he's just like brute force his way, and I think that's great. That can get you a long way, but in order to last

And be as big as he wants to be. Like a Bezos, you gotta have a little bit more uh sophistication as you grow. He's got plenty of time, though. The second thing is hiring. I think that um he kinda told stories that it made me seem it made it seem like he just hired his friends and it's like hey You're fun. You wanna do this? Uh that I don't think that's gonna cut it either.

And then the third thing is company building. We asked him on the pod about uh like work hours and about like meetings and it Uh he I I actually don't remember if he did it I don't think he did a great job of answering it, but the vibe that I got Was it was like a little bit like just whatever Jimmy wants, Jimmy gets And I think that's okay for a little while, but in order to be as big as he wants to be, you've got to have a little bit more company building, a little more process oriented things like that that are kind of the antithesis of like being a cool YouTuber in in many regards.

So I'll disagree with you on a couple of those. I think that Um First of all, I think he's twenty four. So I remember when I was twenty four twenty-four, I became a CEO for the first time of like a real company, a company that had revenue and uh employees that were not like my two best friends from college. And Where he's at at twenty four and where I was at at twenty four.

It's like there were there is such a Like On one hand, he's sitting in a room, I think the you know, the oldest person in our in our group was maybe forty three, and the you know, I would say the average age was maybe like Thirty-four, thirty five, something like that. Uh, probably something like that. Yeah, by the way, I'm not insulting him. I'm incredibly impressed. Right. So I just think where he's at on the learning curve, like, yeah, there is no shortcut to the learning curve. You gotta learn all these lessons, but where he's at is actually uh pretty far along. And the brute force approach actually works. Uh, like you said, there is a strength to that, and I and I think that If you're just what he's if you're doing what he's doing, which is you're just like

F it, I'm doing it. I'm holding nothing back. I'm gonna go all in. And I'm gonna repeatedly go all in. Until this like just I just find a way to make this work. Um

I think that overcomes a lot of the like Mistakes you're gonna make. Maybe for the first maybe for the first billion or two. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I I I think that that is a great attitude and what he proved is that you could have that attitude for a br like late stage. in in your career, even though he's twenty four, like he's got late stage in terms of results. Even though he's probably in ten percent, the hundred percent in most cases he's late he's late stage. But um In order to get as big as he wants, he said he wanted to build multiple

uh ten billion, even I think he said a hundred billion dollar company. You know, that's we're talking Walmart. You know, like you you you you you can't always bet the farm at that size. And I'm gonna be honest with you, I had an initial reaction to him that was sort of like There was a part of me that was like, Ah, fuck this guy. Right. And not because he did anything bad. He's totally nice. But there was something that was like His ambition is alm almost uncomfortable.

Where uncomfortable where you're like, I'm not talking to somebody who's re who they don't live in the same reality that I live in. Um, and so my initial reaction was like okay, you're saying things that don't either they don't make sense or it's like Too like one sided or it's like just I Pure unadulterated, like raw ambition.

And there's something uncomfortable about that,'cause I kinda like people that are like Like one of the things I admire It's people who are well balanced. So I I told him this when I was talking to him, I was like He was basically like I admire Elon, Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos. Like these are the people that I admire. I'm like them, I'm wired like them, and I like to hang out with people like them. And I go.

Yeah, I'm not like them. And we're on the phone and now there's like a you know, like a ten second uncomfortable silence. Because it was true. I was like, what am I gonna do? P pretend I am? No. Uh I could just you know I'm gonna say what's real. I I was like, that doesn't mean I'm not ambitious. I might I just point my ambition at a different outcome.

So, I think it's a very important th Those guys all created like world changing Like they were the they became the wealthiest men on earth. They um created like you know world changing like spectacles like f landing rockets on you know self landing rockets, self driving cars, electric cars, all this crazy stuff, right?

uh created the iPhone. So those people, they were wildly ambitious in that way. There are other people that are wild in other ways. I said, you know, like somebody I look up to, I model myself after is like Naval. I think he's Really successful in business, but also He's revered because of his wisdom, not because he created the iPhone. Right. Like You know, he hasn't gone through five marriages and breakups and like, you know, he hasn't like

been bankrupt and then back to the top and then is depressed, but he's super successful. I was like, to me that's not winning. But I get it that for other people there is winning. I'm glad there's People who think that's winning because they're the ones who are gonna create the next iPhone and create the next Tesla. And but I just was explaining that to him. And I think that th that was the only I don't actually think he's naive about business. I don't actually think he's about anything. I just think like When you when you have your play style, it's very sexy to be like

My play style is the play style. My my play style is the one is the cool one and all the other ones are weak for these other reasons. And I think as people get older, they really start to respect other people's play styles. I think this has happened for the most of the people I I really get along with where they're like It's like yeah, they can admire a billion as much as they can admire a single mother. ' Dude, these are just different games, but I really admi I I can I can admire and not in like a token

Just saying the right thing kind of way. Like they truly feel it in their heart. Like Um Like you know, like they truly feel that Wow, what you're doing is your Super Bowl and I respect the way you approach your Super Bowl and your Super Bowl is just as valid as my Super Bowl. Even if the that's a great way to put it. The way that I also put it is I say, I don't care about money.

I care about people who like actualize their dreams. And their dream could be to be the best parent. Their dream could be to be a billionaire. It could be to be an athlete, to be strong, to be skinny. I don't care what exactly your dream is. I just want to see you achieve it. And that makes me happy when I see someone going places. And it just so happens that money and traditional success is a very practical way to measure that or to like achieve it. Like it just says like, well I just do this business thing as opposed to being the best parent. It's a little bit More challenging. But Yeah, I I I completely agree with you. We have another friend, or I have a friend. You've met him. I don't know if you I don't know if you love the guy or hate the guy because he also is uncomfortably ambitious. You remember he came to a dinner with us. I don't want to say his name, but uh he came to a dinner with us once and

You could describe your impression of him, but he he's also bear to be around him. I met him when he was nineteen twenty, something like that, and he At that time was basically like yeah, I'm like I'm going to be a billionaire. Multi billionaire.

Uh Just a matter of like, you know, is it at twenty five or twenty six, twenty seven, but I I don't know when and um Wh I was like, So do you date? He's like, No, I'm just gonna wait till I'm a billionaire then I'm gonna date like you know the hottest woman on earth who's also like, you know Uh loves me and is like the heir to the throne somewhere, right? Like he just he's like, I'm I'm just going for a twelve.

And he's like, um you know, so first I'm gonna become a multi billionaire, then I'm gonna date this twelve and marry her And then I'm gonna have like all these children and then my children are gonna do this and like And I was just like, wow, that's like, you know And and like if somebody else was like really excited about their thing, that's like Kind of small, he'd be like

Well that's kind of a waste of time, right? Like I guess. Why not just do something bigger that would make you more money? And like he's just so matter of fact, so black and white about it. How's he doing it? Not in a way that's not in a way that's rude. Like he's not trying to be rude. But he just genuinely only obsesses over his thing, which is in in his case like Investing.

And being like the a better investor than Warren Buffett. He's like, Yeah, I've I've I've watched every video, read every book by Warren Buffett, Ray Dalio, all the greatest investors, I've studied them. I'm just as good as them. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm younger than them, but I'm just as good at them. In fact, I think I'll be better than them, uh you know, by the time I'm they're eight they're ninety. I'll be better than it's gonna be. How's it going? I mean who knows? I don't know. I can only I literally can only check in with them so often. Because

If you talk to him too much, it's just like oh dude, like I get my I get a headache. Like A, I feel insecure because I'm not as ambitious. And then B, I just get frustrated because I'm like, dude, come back to reality. Um, like you're floating away in your own bubble somewhere. But I like people like that. They those people also are like they serve a real place in my life. Can I can we can we can I bring up a different topic other than Mr Beast really quick? That was Subtle. But

Crazy fascinating. Um so Ben Levy invited this guy whose Twitter handle is Commodore. And Commodore is famous, I guess, because he started a Dow and he's trying to buy an NBA team and he's raised tens of millions of dollars to do it. And I started talking to this guy and we started talking about uh, you know, just all types of stuff and I go, What's your name, by the way? And he goes, Commodore I go, Oh, that's a sick name Like why'd your parents name you Commodore Will I forget what it was. But

He goes, Oh, that's not my real name. Um I'm I'm anonymous this weekend. I go, what? He goes. Yeah, so like in order to get rid of in order not to have like some legal implications as and I don't actually know what all the implications were. He goes, I'm just anonymous and I go, Does anyone here know who you are? He goes, No, no one here knows my real name Um, Ben Levy, the guy who invited me, he has no idea who I am or my name, and I was like, What? That's interesting. So I just called him Commodore and we talked about like family. We talked about his wife and children, where he lived and how like you know, I am f may be familiar with that area. We talked about all these things and we got like thirty minutes to do a really deep conversation. I was like, What would you do what were you doing before this? He was like, Oh, I was doing this, this, and this. I was like

Uh oh wow, that's amazing. What was it called? He goes, Oh, I can't tell you. I'll dox myself. And I was like, Oh, and I I got back and I like remembered we are anonymous. And I thought that was so fascinating. What did you think about that? I I don't know. I didn't find it that fascinating, but now that you say it, I'm like Yeah, that was kind of crazy. Like it's a It didn't feel crazy. It didn't feel crazy.

You people who have theirs you see people who have their like handle online and that's their persona But you're right. I've never actually just met one of those people in real life and have them just be like, Yeah, that's just that's my identity. I've just given a like I don't use my my birth identity, my my legal identity, I use my online identity as my main identity. And If his friends do. What's up, Commodore? I call them Commodore the whole time. I thought that was his real name for the first Twenty four hours. Every time you walk in a room, people like Ah Commodore Hey where's Commodore? Is he ready to go? And it's like That's not like who is this guy? Nobody here knows who this guy is and we're all okay with it. That was kinda Yeah, you're right. That was kind of amazing. And I was like can I just take a picture of you and like reverse search this? He goes, You can

But you won't. I was like, You're right, I'm not going to but there was sort of a respect at some point I'm not gonna try to know this because you're cool and I don't mean why why would I do something you don't you're not comfortable with? You don't want that? All right, I'm I'm I'm your friend. I'm not gonna do that to you. Dude, that was it was so weird at first and then it became completely normal. And now I I totally get this Anon thing. And uh I asked him, I go, Did you do your friends know who you are? And he's No. He's like they they a lot of'em have just don't know what to do for work. So there was a a group of people there that are pretty interesting. So one guy who we both loved who we did a pod with. So I I guess I'll I'll explain the the rest of the setup. So

Um We did a couple other cool things, I thought. We had a chef who was there at the house just making all the meals. That was great. So nobody had to think about anything. We had um Just cutting up fruit the whole time. We just had like trays of fruit and like snacks the whole time. That was great. Yeah, it was incredible. And then we had um

Kevin Durant basically sent us Like Thirty pairs of his shoe? Did that before. Everybody who got there, they got. A pair of his shoes. We got a custom like shirt jersey that said Camp M FM with your name on the back and your number. So people kinda had their like jersey for the weekend.

Um We got like they also sent like Nike sent bags for us. Uh so there's a couple of things that were like cool. You know, we always talk about the moments in between the moments. We tried to have some moments in between the moments. It felt like Christmas morning, like with all these shoes here. And we all like got there and like unwrapped them. It was really cool. Yeah, we all turned into little kids. We're like unboxing our thing and be like, Oh yeah, I got it. Like, you know, all these people could afford a thousand shoes a thousand times over, but like It just It's still great to just get a free cool thing that somebody sends you.

Can I say one cool thing you did, Sean, is that It wasn't all K D's it was like KDs and a couple Kyrie's and some LeBron's. So it was fun to open up to be like, oh, which shoes did I get? Yeah, that was true. Did you ever find your shoes, by the way, Ben? I did. Uh they were the wrong shoe someone had just grabbed the wrong bag. Dude, Ben came up to me, he goes, I think someone stole my shoes. I was like, Ben, I don't think anyone stole your shoes. And I went and made an announcement. I go, Ben cannot find his shoes. If you found them

Please give it back and it goes dude someone totally jacked him. I was like, Ben, no one stole your tennis shoes. We all just got like Dozens of free ones. Our software's the worst. Have you heard of HubSpot? See most CRMs are a cobbled together mess, but HubSpot is easy to adopt and actually looks gorgeous. I think I love our new CRM. Our software's the best. HubSpot, grow better. Some other great moments. So we um We had gotten connected with the guys at at Duke'cause we're in North Carolina and we had said, Hey, can we come like get a tour of the place?

And they uh they did. So basically some of the former players who are now coaches, uh, some of the current players basically came together and they um They took us on a tour of the practice facility. What did you think of that, by the way? You're not like a Like it's to me it was obviously cool. Dude, it was so cool. It was so awesome. So I don't know anything about basketball. I even made a joke when when we walked in, I go, Ben Who's that dude? And it was Coach K.

Uh yeah, so like I I I don't really know anything about basketball, but it was inspirational because the coaches uh the it's like the assistant coaches now, I think they are. They told stories about working with Coach K, who's like known for you know, thirty years of excellence and tradition and like uh perfection and he told they told some amazing stories and it felt I did feel like I was in a Um I don't know, holy place when I was there. So I wanna say uh something about that too. So

One of the players there, um Emile Jefferson, who he he he was a On the championship team, uh Maybe seven. Was he like the coach, like the guy leading the tour? Yeah, he was the guy kinda telling the most stories. And I I just wanna give him a shout out because Basically they didn't know what the hell was going on, neither did our group. All of a sudden, thirty people are standing face to face in this practice facility. It's like so, uh

Okay, who are you guys and uh like what am I supposed to show you? What what are we doing here? And like I don't know. Dude, he totally waved it. He he did good. It also helped that we had Mr. Beast here and h uh Hussan, so everyone thought that like Oh, everyone else here must be famous too. I just don't recognize them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like um They didn't know we're all just prolific newsletter creators. Yeah. Podcasters and newsletter creators, and then a couple actually famous people. Yeah, they ball, we blog. Exactly. So he tells the story, and I just gotta give him credit. Like Uh he was It it's really hard.

Tell that was like a make or break moment. Do you have a story or do you not? And I just want to encourage everybody to like Have a story in your back pocket. Like whatever the most common question you get, which is like in this case, what's Coach K like? You know? What was it like playing here? What's it like, you know, whatever. And don't just be like, it was good, man, really cool, really special to be here. Yeah, it's I mean, it's just been awesome. I've learned so much.

Like that's what I would say. Nine out of ten people would have done. He's like You know, when I first got here. I thought it was hot shit, blah, blah, blah. And then Coach came just yelling at me, yelling at me, man. And I was just, I didn't know what to do. He's like later on, I realized that it once he stops yelling at you, that's what it's.

bad because then he's given up on you but like you know for that moment he's like And some practices and then you say he said a counterintuitive thing. He's like some practices he just sat there, man, he didn't say anything. The whole practice, you wouldn't say a word, and you just think, Oh man, he's just checked out, like he's not doing anything. Like, I don't know, it's weird. I guess he doesn't care right now. But then three weeks later he would reference something that he was observing that day.

And you're like, dude, you've been watching everything, you got like Cameras in the walls and microphones, like how do you know all this stuff? He tells a story. He's like, you know, we have this one little film room and the secret like he's like, see that wall. Right there, there's like a secret door. You go in there, there's a there's a film room right next to the practice gym. He's like and he took me in there.

He's like, Come here. And I g I go in there and I haven't been playing that well and he takes me in. And there's like all these screens in there. He's like, and on all of the screens is just a picture of me, like various pictures of me all doing the same pose. Where I'm just sitting there like this. I'm like I'm exasperated. I'm like mad at the ref or my teammates or the coaches. My hands are out. My hands are out. My hands are up. My palms are up.

I'm like w it's like the the why like type of like expression. And already everybody's on the edge of their seat in the store because we're like Hey, this is cool. This is interesting. I wanna know what was this about. He's like he said, Look look at this son. You're one of the leaders of this team.

You look like a beggar. You're standing there with your palms out, begging for a call from the referee, begging for the coaches to help you, begging for your teammates to do something. He's like, You're a leader. I don't ever want to see you look like a beggar again. He's like don't don't do that. This is not the body language of a leader.

My fa look at your face. Look at your hands and And I was like such a good story. He's like, for the rest of the he's like, dude, rest of the season, you'll watch me. Something happens, I'm like this. He's like, you know, does a totally different pose. He's like, You'll never catch me doing that pose again. And I thought Great way to connect with the group, right? Like if we're all like kind of CEO leader type. So you tell a leadership story, you tell a counterintuitive one, an entertaining one.

And it's a happy ending, right? And I just thought man, he just killed it with that moment and I just felt For myself, if I look at how I was hosting that weekend I felt like If I was gonna level up how these things go, that's one thing I want to work on is

In those moments where you need to either make the toast, welcome everybody in Tell the story, get people primed for what we're about to do. Like The difference in the whole experience can just be in that like Two minute story right before you start. And that's what I wanna get great at.

Dude, let me tell you uh what I another thing that was great about this event. And it involve it's all about you. And again, when I say you and Sean, I'm actually meaning probably forty percent Sean, sixty percent Ben Levy. Um basically You I told you this like three times. You pulled this off perfectly and you nailed The important stuff. And you failed and ignored the non important stuff.

But here's the thing, most people would spend time on that. So you had no website. You had no like invitation, you just DMed people and you said Venmo me money. And I didn't know what I was getting into, but I just trusted you. You last minute sent us the address. So basically like on the way to the airport, you told me the address of where I had to go to. I didn't know what time dinner was. I just know I ha just sometime throughout the day, hopefully I show up at this address and I and I and like hopefully there's a place to sleep. All I did was I sent you money and I told you my shoe size. That's all I did.

And I showed up and there was all these amazing people there, and you nailed it and you did it quickly and the Airbnb was perfect. We had a chef there, that was perfect. The house Pretty messy. Kinda just not not messy horribly, but almost but borderline like This is disgusting. Um

We go and play basketball all day and you have this amazing trainer At this awesome high school gym that was also perfect. But I'm like, All right, is there any like drinks here? Like what do we what do we do? It's like, Well, there's just a water fountain and some clip bars. And I was like, Okay, that's less than ideal. But you know what? That That doesn't matter because I I appreciate that you just like you just order this shit on Amazon and you go, but that's not the important shit. We're gonna focus on the important stuff. You had um we had a podcast studio there that was already set up. A an important thing that we needed and it was like kinda like

A little hoodie, a little hood rat setup. And it was fucking perfect. It was exactly what we needed. What a like the the the people that you selected were awesome. We didn't do any like real introductions. We just hung out and you just you did I think if you're executing on a project What you did this weekend was a perfect example of just getting the main things right now in the future, maybe you'll know or maybe you'll want to like

You know, we should actually have like People didn't like eat this type of food. We should not do that this time. And like that's the unimportant stuff though. And it was perfect. I I don't even remember what we ate. I think it was just like hot dogs and chicken and salmon. Like none nothing fancy. But that wasn't the important part. The important part that we all just sat around in the kitchen and just told stories. Yeah, the um Uh

I the I I really want to do more of these in the future. Because A was just like a dope life experience. And B, it kind of merged a bunch of things into one. It's like uh if I ever need a vacation. But I also want to like hang out with cool people, do networking or go to a conference.

But also I wanna like Do other stuff besides business with my life. And so with this it was like Got a vacation. Got to hang out with A bunch of people, some I knew and some I didn't know. Half I knew, half I didn't know. And the third was do something fun, like oh wow, I got to train with an NBA trainer and like play pickup basketball. Like that was just like

Uh that was a blast. We got to play inside Cameron Indoor Stadium at Duke. Uh, like there was just like a whole bunch of dope things that were that were happening with that. And you have to tell the story. So basically we're at Cameron Indoor, we're at this like you know holy ground. And I don't know how it happened, but basically Uh Mr Beast. He actually did this twice.

Uh, he goes, I'll give you a hundred thousand dollars if you can make this half court shot right now. And this was the day prior, and I think you missed it. But then the second time uh Duke, he goes, I said it to him. I said it to him. So I go I go, Jimmy, how about a I I go, Jimmy How about this? Um,'cause I know he's uh w once I once I got to know him a little bit, I was like, Oh, he's like me. He's like a bit of a degenerate gambler. Like he loves

To gamble, he loves action. And um and he's he's also always trying to ratchet up. the like intensity and awesomeness of the situation. So it's like If the situation is here, but it the the level can be raised

I think most people talk themselves out of that. He's immediately like, Oh, level can be raised, raise the levels. Raise the levels, everybody. Like, oh, like, you know, it'd be like, Oh, you guys want to play a board game? And then he'd be like Let's go like right now do a tournament with the best board game and like do this do this thing. Oh, you wanna play basketball? I don't care if it's one AM, let's find a gym, we're gonna go play. I was talking to him about how I loved Coke Zero and he goes, Let's go right now and go buy a bunch. And we I was like, All right, cool. So we just went to the store and bought Coke Zero. He's like, I've never had it before. I wan I wanna see what this is about. I I know I have no impulse like it was like oh there's some cool people here. You'll get to know'em, you'll enjoy this. He goes Who's cool? I was like, uh like all these people. He's like

Okay, hey, come sit over here. I wanna talk to you. And he would like put somebody in the hot seat and be like W who are you? What are your what's your story? And you would listen to them for five minutes and be like, Wow, all right, awesome. Hey who else is

You come here, come here. No no no, I'm serious, come sit in the seat. And it and like I was like wow, this guy will always try to like ratchet up the intensity again in a great way. So we're at we're at Duke. And we're just getting a tour. Uh they had just finished like a volleyball game. The hoops weren't even down, they were like raised up to the rafters.

And I go, Jimmy Uh Bet you a thousand dollars I can hit a half course shop for you. He goes, nah, ten thousand.

I was like deal. And I was like, hey, uh to the Duke guys was like, any chance you can like Set up the court real quick. I just bet Mr. Beast ten grand I can make the shot before he does. And they're like No, we're not supposed to, but I kinda wanna see this. 10 grand. All right. And again, the world he again, the reality was we weren't even supposed to have gotten in there in the first place.

All the hoops were gone. There was another game gonna like somebody else is coming on the court soon. And Reality has no bearings on what what he wants. Like the world will shift to what he wants, basically. And so sure enough. All of a sudden the hoops getting come down, ball appears out of nowhere, and we're doing this thing. There's like a circle around us. And now I'm like oh shit, I I gotta hit this shot.

And uh Took you like four times. Yeah, basically two or three sh uh two or three attempts, no uh you know, come up close, but not quite. And also you could feel in the moment that like Okay, well, if this takes a while, something that was really dope is about to turn really lame to watch somebody if you ever watch a slam dunk contest performance nine times in a row. Yeah, like there's a performance here.

So I was like, I better make this shit. And uh Sure enough. Shoot it, hit it, we get it on video, I win ten grand and uh Did he give you the money? No, he has a payback. I he I gave him my he's like you want to in Bitcoin? Or he's like, or maybe I'll send ten thousand in pennies to your house uh, you know, just like in a giant pallet. He goes, By the way, that will cost me two thousand dollars to ship because he's done that before. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He knows the logistics of this. I'm a penny guy.

Well yeah, he does. What do you what do you think of Sean's execution? Did I nail it? Yeah, yeah. You I think you were a hundred percent right. Uh nailed execution. Um Yeah, like I said, um Just everything about it was

Perfect. Sean, do you think it's something like Could you just copy and paste it, or does it need to be different every time in order to create that feeling of it being special? Um I think you could copy paste eighty percent of it and you would change twenty. Um and so I think that that would be the plan. I uh I wanna basically so I just bought uh a domain. I'm putting up a website today, mfmcamp.com.

And I'm gonna put the pictures from this one. I'll just kinda wanna make a blog of where this was, but I'm also gonna put a form on there for people who wanna come to this in the future because half the people who came to this I didn't know. They had reached out and they had first the idea. I think you should let people apply, but I don't think I you gotta keep it just like twenty, twenty five people in like you know, unfortunately exclusive. I'm gonna do two versions. I'm gonna do the exclusive one, which is Like basically it's It's hitters only, right? No small boy stuff there. Um

That's what this one was like, right? Twenty f twenty, twenty five people in the room, everybody had their claim to fame, whatever it may be. Right. Like we had one guy, Al, who's built the biggest quilt company in the world. They do over a hundred million dollars a year selling quilt, you know, patches and accessories and stuff like that. And it's like that's his com that's his and he he bought a town and he's making it like the quilting set like the quilting hub of America, like a tourist destination for quilters everywhere. Like the guy's crazy, but he's totally different than the next guy who's done in a different area, right? So Um so I'm gonna do One or two of these a year. that are the small twenty person type of events.

I might even go smaller. I might even go fifteen. I think this was too many people. And um Then I also want to do one. That's like One notch less. The D League. Yeah, no it's not the D, it's more like the B the B league, right? It's like

But these are people who are They get our culture, they live isn't it like development league, isn't it like the NBA like Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. It they changed it to the G League now,'cause D sounded bad. But but basically That I want to do like a thousand person or five hundred person or something bigger. Maybe not five, maybe not that big, maybe it's two hundred.

But that'll be like A retreat somewhere. It's less intimate, less exclusive, but it's still people who are they're all entrepreneurs. They're all they've all made their first million, right? According to the podcast, they all listen to the pod, they get the jokes, they get the humor, they get the style. So when they show up, they know the vibe. The vibe is the vibe should be immaculate from day one. And that's what I that's what I want to do. So I've that's what I'm thinking of doing out of this. Um, what do you think of that idea? Yeah, I think it's awesome. Uh I I I told Kip the CMO of HubSpot, I go, Kip Uh, Sean just did this on his own, but uh like you gotta

But carve out some budget and just let us let us or let him have this money and and we gotta make this happen. This is magical. And he's like dude, I followed all your guys' picture and Instagram from this This is amazing. We're in. And uh yeah, I dude, I thought it was awesome. Uh I you I think that's a really good idea. You should do a bigger one. That bigger one the bigger one will be frickin' exhausting, but uh it'd be fun. Yeah, totally. I hate events, but the fact that I still want to do this even though I hate events Shows me that it's like a good thing to do.

Um Okay, so those were a couple of the things. Uh can I share a couple of the other kind of like Takeaways or anecdotes. So um One takeaway.

A lot of people there Like We're pretty I'll call it like straight narrow now. Like it's like A lot of the conversations were like about their kids.

They d it wasn't like a it was it wasn't a ton of alcohol needed for the like the I don't think the social like like you know, socialising. Nick had like a whiskey and like maybe other people had like a beer. But there was Virtually no alcohol, no drugs. At worst it was like

Some tobacco and that was it. And we play board games. That was you. That was just me. No, that was Hubert. He he he smoked a cigar. Austin Reefs smokes it smoked a cigar. Yeah. Yeah, true. I'm gonna read this. So Nick, uh, who's sweaty startup on Twitter, he goes, he wrote a blog post. I don't did you read this thing? He goes, Yeah, I spent the weekend with multi-millionaires. Here's what I learned.

And he goes, we organized this thing, blah blah blah. And he goes, he he texted uh his wife after put a screenshot up. He goes, I'm very inspired by a lot of the guys here. Had some incredible deep conversations with some specta spectacular people. A few things I'm ready to change right away. Number one, I want a therapist. Number two, I want to bring energy to the kids. I think I need to disconnect from the phone to do that. Number three, I wanna drink less alcohol. Number four, I'm ready to bring a positive mindset to being a family man and a dad and nurture that garden in the same way that I've nurtured business and social.

Um number five, I want to start honoring you like treating you like the queen that you are. I'm so lucky to have you, right? It's like whoa, like you know, those are some you know come to Jesus uh you know sort of thoughts, and I'm glad that you know uh he had that impression. And so he said something, he goes He goes, here's my takeaways. He goes, We're all dork's. Because I was expecting a room full of giants, people with charisma, blah blah, he's like Don't get me wrong, some people could tell great stories, but for the most part, everyone's just normal.

and have like overcome odds. They were just smart storytellers who were really obsessed with their thing. No, it was number two. Yeah, we we played like board games and we like went swimming. Like it was like Children stuff that we're our interest. He goes, We all suffer with insecurity, fear of failure, and a general emptiness at times. He goes, I talked to a few guys who enjoyed their success more than five years ago. have been worth twenty plus million for a long time, and they spoke about business as an unhealthy addiction, how it leaves them searching for more and empty feeling after an exit.

Others others talked about their nagging ego and need for more and bigger. Others discussed a constant fear that the career. uh about their career that they weren't worthy or didn't have have what it took and just general insecurity. Um another one. They had lots of kids.

A lot of guys spend a lot of time talking about their kids and and and how they spend a lot of energy in this area. Uh most of the folks spent a lot of good time talking about how they're trying to raise good kids. Um And how they're trying to help their kids embrace the struggle rather than protecting them from it. Uh, he goes, Very few of them had a had new groundbreaking businesses. Most started normal businesses that already existed, not revolutionary technologies. They saw a need and just went after it better than anyone else. Good old fashioned, boring stuff. Um

He talked about the humility is astounding. Most of the people M money has not turned these people into jerks. They're still mentally tough. Uh still willing to to you know to slum it. They are humble, they're Searching for ways to improve, blah blah blah. Most didn't drink alcohol.

Um You know, a couple of us had one or two drinks, but Ам, сопрайст. that you know, this many people were able to, you know, socialize, hang out without using alcohol. It inspired me to do more. Um

Yeah. Basically he's like the big question for most people in the room is what am I gonna do with my life? And um He goes to He goes one last quote, he goes. He goes, I talked to somebody who said this.

I walk my around my house in my office sometimes just acting like I'm doing things. Then I just go outside, walk around, or I cut wood. He's like, you know, uh he's like he's like everybody is kind of, you know, on some kind of search. So I don't know. Uh to add to that, most people were really transparent. And so like we would be like if we would ask them money questions, like and they would just say, This is what I have, this is where I put it, this is what I do, and they would be fairly specific. Or Um Uh they would say, No, like I don't have enough to do this, this, and this. Like we're talking about flying private. Like, no, I'm I'm not wealthy enough. I I can't do that. I can't afford it. And it was like, Oh, okay, that's cool. Uh or I am wealthy enough to do that and here's how much I spend, but I didn't do it until I hit this number.

Or Um You know Like my wife and I argue about X, Y, and Z, or uh I'm nervous about my children for these reasons. Or like people were really transparent.

Can I tell you a few more Mr. Beast nuggets real quick? Uh yeah. 'Cause I think he was the most uh like Alien of he was the alien amongst aliens, basically. Um

So he's got a runner. Did you did you know this? Did you see this? You know what I mean? No. There is somebody twenty four hours a day, he's two people, they do twelve hour shifts.

Well it was those two kids that were that were there? Uh no, no. Those were the that one guy was like his social media guy, his tick tock guy, another guy was somebody else. So um Uh By the way, they're not they're not kids, they're just a little younger than us, right? Like they're like in their twenties. Not like ten. Well, he's he's a kid, kinda. No disrespect, guys.

So you're like 31. You're like young. Well they just had young energy. Like they were like They had like college kid energy in that they were like this was their vocation and they just lived in the dorm. And they were at like it's at a basketball camp. They were at like Mr. Beast video camp. Yeah, for us, this was like a weird gateway from the from adult life. And they're like, Yeah, this is just like, I don't know, I guess I just bounced over here and tomorrow I'll bounce somewhere else. And they like wore like you know Yeezys or something like that. And we're like, these are funky shoes, you know, son, what do you think you got there? They have three hundred dollar saddles on it. I was like, What are those? Are they like

Uh Yeezys? I was like what uh Yeah, so that's what I mean. They were younger in psycho demographic. Yeah, I was an idiot. I was like oh I was like Whoa those are like super crocs. What are those? They're like easy slices, the hottest shoe. Biggest seller on earth. I was like oh sweet. Super Crocs. Sport mode Crocs. So um anyway, so so he's got a runner. Basically he's got a dude outside the house at all times, just sitting in his car. Twenty four hours a day. It's a personal door dash. So if he ever needed something, I don't know if you noticed, he was like, Oh, I want to play settlers of Catan. So he's like, Hey, can you go get Catan? And the guy would just run to the store, go get Katan, bring it back within 15 minutes.

He was outside our house? The whole time. And he's outside the studio. Wherever he goes. These two people are there, tw twelve hour shifts each. So twenty four hours a day?

Watching his back. Ready to do it. Do they do hack is Do they do like Find My Location on T? We went to Duke and you know, he's wearing his easy slides and it was like um Uh We were all of a sudden they were moving the hoop so we could play. So he's like

Hey, go get my shoes from the car. And like I need my shoes. Can you go get them from the car? Like just like he's like anything. Like I'm hungry. And they would just go and they would uh like or even before he's hungry, they would just go They're like, Hey I think he has like Crohn's disease or something like that. So he's got like a very specific diet. So they were like, um Like there's just like a shit ton of like yogurt in the fridge at all times. I was like, where's this all this yogurt coming from? And like his runner was just chalking the fridge, like and he's gonna forget to eat. So I'm just gonna go hand him this at this time. Like that's some real

That's like A really funny and he and so he's talking to me, he's like he's like yeah, he's like I don't get it. He's like all these people here are wealthy, but like Nobody here had that. He's like, Why don't why don't you guys do that? It's like it's a waste of your time to go do those things, right? Like if you value your time, why would why would you And I was like I I was like he's like, Why do you think that is? And I was like, honestly, I don't think any of us had even thought about it. Like I was like I was like I never considered this possibility. I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah.

In the tech industry, like the biggest winners, Elon, like the Google guys, Zuckerberg, like they you would describe this for a lot of them. And so it's actually like a a a trait commonly found with with greatness, which is a very matter of fact simple way of looking at things that is unafraid of like how that looks, how that sounds, or like What it costs. So for example, he reinvests everything into every video and I was like, Okay, so um You know

What's the game plan here? He's like, Well just, you know, like make the best videos possible. Just put it all in. Keep growing it, make this the biggest thing ever. And like, you know, that's my goal. And it's like, okay, but like, you know, what about XYZ? It's like I told you my goal, so why would I consider actually like were you not listening to the first part where I said so I call it I started to think about this'cause again The stunning thing for me was

I had never really met anybody who puts every hour, every dollar, and every ounce of their soul into their wild ambition. That's what I took away from him. Um It doesn't matter if he was a YouTuber or an athlete. In fact, the trainer there used to train With Kobe. And Kobe's daughter Gigi before they passed away. And I was you know, I was like, dude, I hate to be the guy who asked you for a Kobe story, but like

You gotta tell me a Kobe Bryant story, like what what you got. And he started telling me I was like, you know, is the work ethic thing legit?'Cause like I don't know if you follow this, but like on Reddit there's these stories where it's like Yeah, I I sat and listened to that guy talk. He was he was that was that was probably the best storytelling. So there's these stories about Kobe that you don't know if they're marketing or if they're real, where it's like

Kobe would wake up like there's a story like Dwayne Wade, who's another yeah, hall of fame basketball player. He's like Yeah, I we went to the Olympics. That's my first time I got to see how Kobe works, because he was a competitor before that. Now we're on the same Olympic team. He's like, We got to the gym at six AM. Kobe was already there like Fully sweating. We're like Oh, w w did y what are you doing? We we just got here for the six AM practice. What what are you doing?

He's like, Oh, this like Yeah, I'm ready I'll be ready in a minute. They're like, Well, why are you sweating so much? He's like, Oh, I had my first work out at four. I'm just finishing up. I'll uh I'm gonna join you guys in a second. I'm gonna go get my ankles retaped and then go back. And and the guys was so he's got this legendary work, I think. So I was asking the guy was like, Is it really? He's like, He's like, dude, I thought it was bullshit. He's like, so I started texting him at four. He's like he'd hit me back right away. The guy was awake. He was at the gym. He's like, it was insane. He's like, I he's like, and then I was like, okay, so he's got the crazy work, I think. What else?

He's like He had this ability Where if you were in the room with him He's like most of the guys I work with, the famous athletes, they're like kinda like A D D like If they don't know.

If you're not like a bullseye of what they're interested in. They don't think that they don't look at you as someone they can learn something from. Always. Yeah, just normal people. He's like, So, you know, they'll check their phone they'll look around, they'll talk to you, they'll talk to their manager, they'll talk to this person, they're just uh whatever, they're all over the place. He's like, Kobe, if he got in a room with you You would feel like there's only you in the room. He would lock eyes, he would not look at his phone, he would not m move away, he would ask you questions, he would remember your name, and the name thing was fascinating. Did you hear that story? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other guy, Luke, tells the story, so he goes.

Uh, he goes, we're at the gym and I it's like this first time I ever met Kobe, he's like, We're playing pickup. And I was playing with I jumped in, uh he's like a trainer. He's like, I jumped in the game and I missed like six or seven shots. And Kobe just doesn't say anything after the game he goes Damn, you damn damn man, you come make a shot or what? And the guy goes I'm a volume shooter, bro. Like you should know.

And Kobe like I mean it's he tried to like kinda basically make fun of Kobe. Kobe's like how long volume I know is five, like five rings. He's like um so they start and so Whatever. They have that one interaction, it takes five seconds, they just laugh. Move on with life. Three weeks later, he comes back to the gym. And um

The guy walks into the gym and Kobe goes What a volume? And just like remembered who he was, gate remembered his nickname. And so then the guy was like already impressed with that. He's like but I he's like I never talked to him besides I never told him my name, nothing. He had ask somebody what my name is, so that three weeks later he goes

He's like, I was leaving. And Kobe goes. Damn Luke, can I gotta say bye? Exactly. Wait, you know my name and secondly you're stopping I just didn't want to bother you. Like and the guy was like sneaking out, like just casually trying to leave and Kobe just saw him walking around. Like, dude, what the hell? Aren't you gonna say goodbye to me? And so he knew his name. He knew he's like he he's like you do he's like he remembers everybody's name. And I asked him, I was like, Oh, Kobe like

Why do you like is that easy for you? He's like, No, it's not that easy. I'd just make an effort. He's like, Why do why do you care like to to learn all these people's names? He goes Because for most people, this is the only time they're ever gonna interact with me. And If I remember their name was something so simple.

And they not only will they remember it forever. They'll tell everybody they know about this. He goes, So I'm not just remembering I'm not just like making an impression on them. I'm making an impression on a thousand people throughout their lifetime that they're gonna tell this Kobe Bryant story too. And I thought that was so baller and that was the same The same thing I was admired about Mr Beast, I admired about Kobe in that same way. He did an even crazier story where Alex had mentioned like a few weeks prior that his mom's birthday was on w a particular date, and on that particular date, Coby texted Alex, the trainer, goes, What's your mom's cell number? And he FaceTimed the mom, goes, What's up, Mom? You know, I just want to say I hope you have a wonderful birthday today.

And Alex is like I didn't even FaceTime my mom until my happy birthday. Exactly. Those stories were amazing. Again, those are the moments in between the moments, right? You can't plan for that, but you put a bunch of people in the room and serendipity like that can happen. But uh the other story that was like that, so Um Uh so so s the the trait uh the thing I was calling Mr. Beast, I was like

He has a level of commitment that I call kamikaze commitment. He has a kamikaze level commitment. To win. That's our new phrase, bro. That's a The Manifest Cowboys.

And the people who got that kamikaze commitment. The dogs. And so I was like How do you compete with a YouTuber like Mr. Beast? I thought about this. I was like. Uh because I was like literally I was like, could I fund somebody? Could I just give someone like five million dollars to become Mr. Beast? And I was like

I don't think it would actually work. Because Not just the talent. There's that like he's not the best looking dude. He's not the funniest guy. He's not honestly, all the things he knows about YouTube you could learn. I I I could tell you everything he you know you need to know about YouTube. Right. There's the last fifteen percent that'll you'll accrue over time, but like Dude. You need you need a great clickable title and thumbnail. Here's what makes it clickable. The first ten seconds you need to hook people and tell them what they're gonna get out of this video, and then you need to h visually stimulate them, and then you need to use these cuts, and then you need to introduce a twist in order to keep their attention and here's the metric you need to care about, right? Like you could train that.

What you can't train is The guy is willing. to put all the money he makes back into the next videos. So like imagine competing in a business with somebody who's willing to take no profit. Like they're gonna beat you on price. They're gonna beat you on value because they're willing to lower their price that they're willing to reinvest all of their profits into b building a better product.

So he's willing to reinvest. All of his money. And all of his time. into this. And then that compounds. So at first that was really cheap. That was, you know, the first brand that gave him a ten thousand dollar The first brand try to give them a five thousand dollar sponsorship. I don't know if you know the story they

quid try to give him five thousand dollars for the video. He's like he's like I talked to the guy on the phone for like an hour, being like dude, make it ten thousand. More people will click. She's like ten thousand, just that number, ten grand. In the title is gonna get way more clicks than five. I don't know why it's just five is not the same as ten in the title. And so it's like just give me 10. They're like, dude, we just our budget. He's like, I'm not even gonna keep the 10. I'm gonna give all 10 away. So they gave they said yes to 10. He immediately went and gave 10 grand to a homeless guy. And then that video gets like a million views and all the stuff that pays the pays the video off. The advertisers happy. So then they get twenty grand, thirty grand, fifty grand, hundred grand. And eventually advertisers are willing to pay. Nearly a million dollars for

To be a part of these videos. But he's willing to take that and pour it all back in. So how do you compete with somebody who's willing to spend All of their creative energy and time. And all of their money. I think that is like

Just kind of awe inspiring to see somebody execute the like sort of kamikaze commitment strategy. I know I'm not willing to do it. Maybe because I'm willing to do it. I got kids. I've I don't know what it is. I don't know what the factors are. It's really that I just I don't need to It's like it's like I said before, like I think being Olympian being an Olympian is a trap. Like I don't need to be a gold medalist. I don't want to be Michael Phelps and give up like twenty years of my life.

to train every single moment of every single day. To become that? Like That's it. I don't think his lifestyle Is fitting.

For happiness. And Maybe Maybe even being fulfilled. But

And by the way, Like he said that himself pretty open. And I'm happy that he exists. And I know I am not that. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Those are the two certainties that I have on that.

You know, before we're going to be able to do it But you are real and I and I and I and I am not it. Face tattoos and cornrows. Right. Yeah. They said music or cool they other people have'em. Not for me. Yeah.

Um Before I went there, I was like, maybe we should really like double down on UP. Maybe we should triple down on YouTube. I was like, I think I could become like the biggest business creator on YouTube. Do I want that? I don't know. And then I when then when we were there, there was like a thirty minute shoot where he was like A photo shoot for the thumbnail of one of his videos.

And I was like Yeah, I don't think I wanna do this. Like I don't think in my day these are the things I wanna spend my energy on. And I think I think somebody is willing to do that. Of course somebody's willing to do that. Many people are willing to do that. To win that game and I was like I'd rather do a game where I'm willing to pay the price. Then it takes a

to get the outcome that I want. No, then try that try not to do it. You and we we could play that game, but you don't have to play it his way. You know, his way is a reckless way and it works. But I don't think you have to you know like I I like

There are there are lots of different examples of people succeeding in different ways. You know, the wealthiest guy there Keep in mind was basically he was the wealthiest guy there by a lot, I think. And he played the game totally different. Than than Jimmy did. Yeah, but I think the YouTube game that you know, like there is a uh

I think there is a Default path. And you'd have to relief be saying, I'm gonna go try to be an outlier, right? I'm not gonna be on I'm not gonna do X wanna be a still one. But the top. Yes, if you want it to be the top mainstream type of guy, I agree.

But there's like lots of games. Sweet lifestyle where we're making a few million dollars a year doing it. Like you're right. There's many ways to do that. But if you want to be the top right And that's the question I always ask myself. Do I want to try to go for that? No, I don't, but I would I I would I I'd be okay with pretty good. And doesn't that feel weird when you spend time with people who who are like they hear that sentence and they're sort of repulsed?

Isn't there a part of you that's sort of like embarrassed to say I'm okay with just good enough? There's a part of me that's for sure embarrassed to feel that way. Yeah, and I used to feel so I used to feel embarrassed about that and then I realized I started like reading all about stoicism and I got went into this Ryan Holiday like deep rabbit hole and I'm like, Oh yeah, we're all gonna die and we're all gonna be bullshit and like just ashes, like why I'm not gonna play other people's games. But here's the the thing I want to wrap up with as I left That

Weekend. A little angry at myself. Because I've experienced envy. Pretty hardcore. And I experienced like inadequacy of like you know, a lot of places where I go, I'm the big shot.

There, we were the low we were probably below average in terms of traditional success. And I remember be being there and I'm like I am nothing, and I should want more, and I should achieve more. And I remember feeling that way and I felt guilty that I felt that way. I was like why why am I like you know, I uh why am I

feeling envy. This is envy's like the one of the worst uh feelings you should you can have. Envy is in some regards worse than hate. Uh and so like I remember feeling envy and I was like Fuck. I I falling down the traps.

I'm falling I'm doing it. I'm doing what everyone says you do, and we all know you're not supposed to do, and I said forever I wouldn't feel that way. I made the number that I made And I thought I won't want any more after that. And I am wanting more and I am um I'm giving into it. And I felt really guilty about that. I know exactly what you mean. Um

I'll tell you what Work for me. To like It's like a h it's like a hunger pang, right? You can't prevent yourself from h feeling hungry. But you can choose how you're gonna satisfy that, right? How you're gonna address it.

And uh I told I had come on the pod before when I had visited that person's house that like they had like a twenty million dollar house and I was like, wow, this is just incredible. And And I sp I wasted the first two days Just kind of like

Being envious and or like bullshitting about why this like Yeah, but you know I I wanna focus on family. You know, coming up with these like other things that like yeah, this is This is actually bad for these reasons. Yeah, just cognitive dissidents. Yeah, just like trying to convince myself that I was good. And and so you know, and and what I had come away with there was like Actually the right way to handle that moment. Is to just reframe it like

Oh, this is sick. I'm getting to sample. A set of options to see which one I want. Oh, okay, you have this and you live this lifestyle? Tell me about that. I want to hear about that. I wanna just This is just the the person walking around at the party with the tray.

Oh yeah, I'll I'll try the bruschetta. Okay, do I like bruschetta? Is that what I want? Okay, now let me try the shrimp. Okay, is that what I want? Is that what I like? So that's how I that's at this place, I didn't feel the envy per se, because as soon as it came up, I was like Oh, this is cool. I'm getting this guy lives in Puerto Rico and does this, this, and this. Instead of feeling jealous I pay so much in taxes and he doesn't, let me Learn about that. This person has this wild success and they kind of work this one one week out of a month.

All right. Is that what I want? What's that like? You know, tell me about that. You know, like I was getting the sample Which just helps me figure out what do I really want and I get exposure more broad exposure. And at the end of the day, you're you're you're the one that brought them all together, though. So uh like But I I definitely know what you mean, dude. When it was like, all right, let's go around the circle and like tell what's your story. What's your what's your thing. I'm like Oh damn, my little like you know, cricket level of success compared to the whales. You know, like it there is a moment where you panic. I I've always had this in any group setting where they're like, say your name and you know, an interesting thing about you. It's like, you know, for a moment my initial reaction is like there's nothing interesting about me. Not one iota of me is interesting. I should just leave the room.

How far away is the fire alarm? What happens if I vomit? Do I have to do this? Like you know, like there's that That happens in three seconds and then my body's like, Oh wait, what are you dude? What are you talking about? Like and then it I come back to normal. But I yeah, that reaction happens to me in these group settings for sure. That was uh I I I remember f I felt the exact same way and I was like, I am nothing. Uh it's But

I hear it kinda made me feel better when people who I didn't know Told me about my life and I'm like ah, fucker, you listen, got you. Like you know what I mean? So a little better A totally unrelated story, but do you just remind me of it? It's so hilarious. Once upon back in the day, me and my buddies used to go gamble a lot. We didn't have much money. We were just fresh out of college. We basically had won a business plan competition and we were Like extending the runway by going and playing poker and like trying to like

win a few extra thousand dollars doing it. But sometimes we would lose and so who knows? We probably knit it out, you know, slightly down. Anyways, one of the guys he Would play table games where you have no edge. You're you're going to lose. And so he'd go play craps, whatever. And when he would lose, we'd be like, All right, man, like we should cut it off. And he's like, Hold on, let me just go get a coffee to go to the ATM and get more money and come back. And we're like ah dude, he's a degenerate, we gotta stop him. But we didn't. So we came back up to the hotel room.

And he's gone for like another five hours. Five AM, he comes back into the room. And I wake up'cause I hear the noise. And he doesn't know that I'm awake. We're we're asleep. He doesn't know that that I'm awake. And He's he comes up to the he stands in front of the mirror in the hotel room.

Oh, actually first he goes to the bathroom, changes into the robe, which is always the sign of somebody trying to get their value out of the hotel room because they lost a bunch of money in the casino. There's a little tip for degenerates. It's when they start using all the shampoos and stuff, they're trying to get back at the casino. So he goes, comes out in a robe, he's looking at the mirror, and he just goes. You suck. You suck. And he just goes, You fat fuck. You suck. And he's just dissing himself and he just goes and he just holds up his hand and he goes, Five. Five iPhones. You lost five iPhones on your cell phone. And dude, I start laughing so hard he realizes that we're awake. And then it was like it totally lightened the mood just because of how funny the situation was. And we always reference five iPhones. We always like how if I go gambling, he's like, How many iPhones? I'm like, three iPhones. I lost three iPhones. I'm about to split phones.

Rappers use like racks. Like how many racks did you lose or how much racks did you win? We use iPhones. And uh Dude, I'll never forget that story. It was so funny. That's what that's what I was telling myself. Uh Uh A million subscribers? You only have a million subscribers. I remember um delete your account. That weekend you and I this channel, we hit a hundred thousand subscriber subscribers. And then I went and looked at Jimmy's numbers and I think he was adding a million a week.

Or sorry, a million a month. I I forget what it was. But uh w or sorry, a hundred thousand a day, he was what he was adding, and I was like Yeah, we're we were like, We just hit a hundred thousand he goes, Nice, today? Yeah. I remember that's how I felt I was like oh we suck. We suck so hard. Uh I felt that way. Um Ben, are people is this I I is this gonna be a great episode? I I I I got so much energy from this. This is definitely self indulgent, but like

Who cares? I needed to debrief this. And I would say like Patting ourselves the back some parts, we're making fun of us ourselves, sometimes making fun of other people. I hope we weren't hard on anybody. Uh you know, Ben, what do you think? Um

It's good. The one thing we didn't talk about was the actual basketball. Which I just you know, you know. Yeah, so here's the the reason Ben's saying that. So in in terms of best basketball players. Ben. It was like Ben was number one and then Nick Huber was like probably number two or number three, Commodore was two or number three, but Ben was clearly the best. And at one point Ben I think a couple of times he dunked in the game, but at one point he like dunked on Jimmy and there's a perfect picture. Ben was without a doubt the best basketball player there. That that that that was a that was for sure. So I have to tell you

Uh Before going. You know, I I think a big I think I'm gonna be the best person there, but like a big struggle for me is I want to like keep everything in check. Like

You know, there there's a lot of people there with a lot of money, a lot of influence, like a lot of a big audience. Like they could do things for me in the future. I don't want to like offend anyone or upset anyone. Keep keep that in check. Like I don't want to embarrass anybody or like be too competitive. Like or just like seem like a ball hog or like come off the wrong way, right? Uh like I just want to Make sure everyone has a good time, everyone has fun. So I go and literally And for like five minutes, I'm good. For like five minutes. I'm just playing in the flow of the game, make sure everyone has a good time.

And then Nick Huber comes down and like does a little move on me and scores. And Sean I don't know if you did this on purpose. Sean comes over and is like Dang, Nick Huber's good. I think he's the best one here. And I lose it. I lost it. I like immediately went out of my mind. I was like, You think he's the best one here? I'll tell you exactly what you said, because we're in the middle of a game, by the way. But this is not like I didn't like I don't even know how we were having such a conversation, but I was like I said something I I was like damn I was like Nick's good. I was like Nick's good, we gotta guard Nick, I think he's the best one here.

And um because w we don't know anybody here, right? We don't know who's who plays, who doesn't play. Like we're all finding out in the first five minutes, like who knows how to ball, who doesn't. And um And Ben goes. F that. Uh

F that. I'm guarding him. And you what did you go? You go, F that, I'm the best player here. I'm guarding him. And and then you go and then you proceeded to so then that whatever you proceed, I'm shutting him down. Yeah, you go, I'm shutting him down. And uh and so you whatever, you s you you go, we score, we ended up winning that game. And uh And then like whatever, I subbed out, whatever and so Five minutes later, Nick subs out of the game.

And he's just walking away muttering to himself. He just goes I can't even score on Ben. He's like a wall. And I was like, wow, mission accomplished. Like, you really Flip that switch and it and it was so fun to see it because Honestly it Every every moment I've interact with you outside of that game or like pick up basketball.

You are If we just describe you as Too nice. You are, you know, like you are overly nice. You are overly you're you're very polite guy. You are Low ego, very very humble. Too humble. I want you to have more of a edge and a ego and

Wanna make your podcast the biggest podcast in the world and like I never saw that until we were playing basketball and I saw a different side of you. Dude, I was talking s I was talking shit to him just to get him Fire it up and he like just was he did the same thing to me where he just is like he just had his way with me and it but I was talking shit to him constantly just to get him going and he totally got going. And uh Sean, you're really good too. You you in that last game, you had a bunch of threes. Uh you're shooting good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we haven't talked about Sean's big moment. Uh what was the big moment?

The they have more child? No, the b the big moment was when we were in the championship game. And uh I think my back was failing a little bit. We were on the same team. Yeah, what was going on? You were looking like you were in pain. I didn't understand that, but I was like okay, give me the ball. So you guys know that like big dunk I had? uh early on, I threw my back out when I did that dunk. So for the whole rest of the day I had like no lift and I I was in like pretty severe pain. And uh

And um So we were gonna lose. Like we were gonna lose pretty bad. And then Sean How many points did you have? You hit like four threes in a row and like a couple twos. You like took over the game. Yeah, I was also lucky that was fresh. I had went and dropped Hudson off at the airport. So I came back in like right for the playoffs. Basically, everybody had been playing for like, you know, an hour before that, and I got to come in completely fresh. So that was kind of lucky.

Um, and then Sam, we um uh uh we don't have a moment where you dunked or took over the game, but I do have an award for you. We me and Ben uh Ben Levy, we started creating some awards for people and I'll just give you a sneak preview. Your award is Person who most played basketball like it was football. You are the rules. Physical mother effort, man. You like dude, if I was guarding you, you're the only person that anybody else there, okay, they could score on me, whatever, but I'm never gonna call for a switch. I'm gonna be like, I got this guy. If I was guarding Sam, I'd be like, uh who wants to switch? I'm not looking to be like a battering ram right now. Uh Y nobody else started boxing out. earlier than you Well I go to bed and combo I go, Hey guys, I don't really know the rules. I can't dribble. I can't really do anything. What would you like me to do? They're like, Well you got a big ass and you can jump high, so just like

Uh stay down low and just jump up and grab the ball and give it to me. I go, Oh, yes, sir, I I got you. I got you, Captain. And so that's all I did. That was amazing. Uh that was a lot of fun. And uh yeah, let's do it again. Alright, that's the F

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