#426: The Random Show: Boozy Quarantine Edition!

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And thanks for checking it out, if the spirit moves ya. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back to another episode of The Random Show. I am Kevin Rose. I'm Tim Ferris. Tim First is of course a best selling New York Times author, inventor of the term the China virus.

And no, I'm just kidding. I True Fact. True fact. Not true fact. Not true fact. Uh, and we're we're thrilled, dude. This is awesome. This is like what a great break from the chaos. It is. Yeah, it is. And it I'll give you credit for the idea of doing something live. Which

I I think at least for me is very stress reducing. And calming amidst all this uncertainty to have an actual time where you see your friends' faces. And I've not been drinking at all, so it's actually

Exciting to have a little bit of Boozy booze. Cheers, Kevin. Cheers. And everybody out there. Yes. Thanks for joining. And

Well let's let's uh Perhaps start with what we're what we're drinking here. Yeah. What are you having? So um Our mutual friend um

Will Harlan, I'm having the Mascot twenty twelve, which is a fantastic uh Cabernet. Um out of Napa Valley. Um, highly recommend checking out their site. Um yeah, it's called the Mascot and it's uh one of my favorite caps for sure.

So this is something I just Pull the out. And I've no idea where this came from. I didn't buy it, so It is Whatever that is, I can't pronounce

French particularly well. T Y D Y somebody. Is this like someone sent this to you? If you didn't buy it, it was pretty. Not I mean almost all of my wine has been given to me. Uh and this Just got yanked out, so I decided to go white.

Took a little Magnesium three and eight and L lysine and a few other things to mitigate the hangover, since I expect I'll probably finish this during this conversation. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how that works. I think it could be Futile. But

What what other context should we Layout for us. Well, I think that you know, I I know that when we, you know, you and I will I put together a document before the the show, a little shared Google Doc, and you know, we've to figure out what we're gonna be talking about in the show. And one of the things that I I know we both wanted to address was just to say Um, you know, on a on a downbeat before we try and make this a little bit more of a upbeat show, is just to say our thoughts are with everyone out there. Um it's a an extremely difficult time. Um, and you know

We all have stories of of chaos and craziness and the ups and downs and emotional roller coaster that's going on right now in in the world. And we know that there's people that are watching this that have been laid off. There's people that are watching this that are that might even be sick or have friends or family that are sick. And uh, you know, I I know y I'll let you speak for yourself, Tim, but I know that I mean my thoughts are with all of you. Um it's a it's a really, really difficult time. Yeah, I I wanna echo all of that. I have family members who've been laid off. I have seen that amongst a lot of my friends, friends I grew up with

And uh Our hearts go out to everyone. And thanks for joining. And this is really Aside from the other things that we might be doing, just an an attempt to Offer a salve.

Even if just for an hour or two. Yeah. To Have a feeling of being connected with other folks. Brian Koppelman, who I recently is a friend of mine, co-creator of Billions, recently had On a podcast. He does something called the Royale every morning, which is his first cup of coffee. Takes a picture and he has

other people post their pictures and it's become this real vibrant community of people who look forward th to this every day. So I figured At your recommendation, Kevin, that this would be A fun experiment. Just to uh

Allow everybody to hopefully take you know sixty minutes without looking at your Twitter feed or the bad news, there's going to be plenty of bad news. It's still going to be there. later. You don't have to look at it now. And uh it's been heavy. It's been really heavy. I don't know about you, Kevin, but I was texting you Before we start recording.

I have lost And it's not like I had that much weight to lose to behavior that I've lost. No well, I've lost fifteen probably fifteen pounds in the last four weeks. I've been in quarantine for five to six weeks, but it's it's from It's been e I've been I've been eating pizza and chocolate, dude, like every night. I'm not kidding.

How are they losing weight? Well maybe it's That the energy cannot be created nor destroy. It just changes form. So by me losing weight, I'm just putting it on your muffin top. That that could be. You're welcome. You'll last longer.

When we get to on the like the road. Or Mad Max, you'll live for a longer time. But the point being like I've been I've been Even when I'm not consciously aware of it. Quite. under duress and have been having anxiety dreams and nightmares for the first time in God knows how long. I've never really had nightmares consistently

And have had uh I've had trouble remembering to eat. I mean, that sounds crazy. And I know some people might want to have that, but It's been a strange period. That's been a really strange period for me and for a lot of people. I gotta say, Tim, like you were the first person

that was warning me. uh about this stuff months ago. Like when it first when it first kinda broke out and it and it just like, you know, starting to gain a little traction in China. Like You were

Like prepping big time, dude. And I remember I was giving you shit. I was like, I don't know, man. Summer will come around, it'll get hotter, this will kinda like die down. And you were hardcore prepping and Uh You know, props to you for calling it early and and what are you doing? Where are you? Are you in a bunker somewhere? Like what what's going on in Tim's life? You literally like what is the screen behind you? Like what the hell's going on? The decor is a bit intense. Uh I'm using my Scorsese cinematography to make this look really dramatic. I'm in a guest bedroom because I want it to be hard connected. The internet is being hammered by everyone being home. So I have uh Tiger King.

Yeah, everyone. Yeah, exactly. Pornhub premium. So everyone's killing bandwidth and I have an Ethernet cable connected and it's just easiest to set up in the guest. Yeah, I I know you have an Ethernet connected cable because you called my ass up so I could walk you through set in your Motherfucking Ethernet up. Thank you, Tech thank you, tech support. Yeah, I gotta send you a PayPal invoice for that, dude. And uh

I'm in Austin, Texas. Uh I'm I'm quite happy to be here right now. Uh my parents are in New York. That worries me. Of course, they're older. They're not in the best of health. But there's only so much has one can do.

I I I'll I wanna poke a little bit into and if I go too far, you let me know. But like, you know, your your dad has been one to wanna venture out. And go out and st and think this is not a big deal. You know, you and I've talked about this privately. Have you convinced him otherwise? Like have you convinced him to stay home and avoid. He he turned the corner and I I think this is this has been a common experience for a lot of folks our age or even younger to Understandably have parents who have been through many

So called crises. Who Have been resistant to completely stop all of what they're doing, which I think is a very understandable position. And then you add in the political polarity. And I don't uh this is kind of the I probably want to go to my not go to grey No, we'll go to Greener Pastures in a minute, but the the point is that he To his credit, when I was able to separate the politics from the science and talk about the science, he listened to it and he took it seriously. So

I'm I'm Perhaps more fortunate than some. In that Both my parents are taking this.

Very seriously. Which is great. Yeah I've got a I it's tough because um my mom's gonna be eighty this year. And she's um She's living still by herself, but assisted in that she has to have someone come by and like um help her with with meal preparation and and things like that. Um You know, she's uh

She needs care. Like she can't live on her own anymore, just totally solo and independently. But she's doing well. Um and It's tough because like you know, I was talking to my sister today And this new stat coming out saying that, you know, twenty to twenty five percent of people are asymptomatic and they have no symptoms at all. I'm like

My mom's like, Hey, you know, like when are you gonna see me? And I of course I video with her and stuff like that, but Um You know, I'm like, Okay, well, mom, tomorrow if the weather is okay, meaning it's not raining in Portland I'll come over with a mask on and sit six feet away from you and we can have a chat and you know and that will be the way that I interact with my mom. And it's it's like it's in a way it's heartbreaking because I have two young kids and they don't get to see grandma and they haven't for weeks now. And uh

You know, so it's like It's stressful for everybody out there, man. It's like it doesn't matter who you are, you know, it's like everybody's got something that's that's weighing on them. Yeah. And then you're you're locked in the close quarters with your girlfriend and I'm locked in close quarters with my wife. And not to say that's that's a a bad thing, but it's you know, it's unusual to have that much like straight up one on one time, right? How's how's that going?

It's going well. I think it's I think it's like uh For those people who haven't been to Burning Man. Yeah. What they say about

Couples going to Burning Man is it's double or nothing. Right. You're because you're gonna be with each other twenty-four seven. You're gonna have all of these additional stresses. And I think we're seeing that now. And we've developed routine part of the benefit, if you want to call it that, of having been in quarantine for

Almost six weeks now. And I I have some pre existing lung issues, so I I've been extra careful, but Is that we've we've adopted certain routines and had these emergent

habits and rituals that have become really nice, actually, some of them, but certainly There's more pressure in the container, so Whatever cracks you may have, and everybody has their cracks are gonna be a lot more obvious. Yeah. And

Uh Yeah, I was talking to a friend of mine who was saying it's it's like a magnifying glass that shows you your psychological Achilles heel. Yeah. So I I'm trying to view that

as an opportunity. Right, as a real opportunity where If you're at home, if you're in quarantine. putting aside financial considerations, which I know are very real for a lot of people, but Many people who are watching this are gonna be safe.

At home. So you're basically in a sort of a a padded room like a Chuck E Cheese ball pit. where you get to see these things that are weaknesses slash unresolved issues slash opportunities that you can

start to work on and then we'll Translate to other areas. later yeah in your life. And one of the one of the bullets that we had to discuss Which we could certainly talk about. I'll keep drinking. Yeah.

Which will Give me some liquid personality and higher confidence, which is dangerous. But one of the bullets over Any good books worth reading now?

So I'd be cu I'd be curious to start there,'cause I have some thoughts. Actually I'll I'll just throw one out there. Yeah which Which is Called already free. And It's by I believe Bruce Tift, T I F T.

And I I highlight s I've I've highlighted so much of this book. It's hard to believe. It's uh closely related to and I might have mentioned this book to you already, Kevin. I I think the surrender experiment or the Michael Singer courses that you've spoken about before. I love Michael Singer stuff, yeah. Yeah, it's uh but the this book already free has been uh quite impactful for me. And puts Puts a lot

in perspective. So that's one book that I've been thinking more about also. Uh I sit at home and cannot escape. Myself.

You know, it's like there are only so many things you can do to distract and busy yourself within the square footage of your house. Uh, but what other what other books doesn't have to be related to the psychological stuff, what other books do you think Or perhaps helpful to read or what and what are you and and what are you reading. Well I think there's there's two that come to mind um One is is definitely that a lot of people have had That are fortunate enough, not everyone is is in this position, but that are fortunate enough to transition to online work.

um are, you know, having to deal with a whole new set of tools and a whole new way of working. So Uh Jason Freed, who I've had on my podcast. Have you had him on your podcast? Have you had Freed on yet? I have. Yeah, but uh year and a half, two years ago, very smart guy. I mean just Brilliant. He he was way ahead of his time in writing the book um remote, and he has a couple other books about remote and distributed culture.

that are fantastic. Um definitely check out the book remote from him. If you have a small business and you're looking to transition to more remote or you yourself are going through this, it's a great one to recommend to your boss or to read yourself. Um, that one is is definitely at the top of my list for people. I uh we have three hundred you know, entrepreneurs at um are founders at uh True Ventures. And so that's definitely one that I'm recommending to a lot of them. Um Boglehead's uh guide to investing, I think is another great one. And I know it's it's um it's tough to talk about investing in in times like this, but If you look back historically, um you know the best

time to place bets. And that can be Literally you know, tens of dollars because there's such beautiful things now that exist, such as fractional share ownership, like um apps like Square Cash and Robin Hood and others allow you to buy just a fraction of a share. Um i i if you can't afford afford, say, uh, you know, a the three hundred dollar share of, you know pick any major big company out there. Um So Bogle

John Bogle who's since passed away is the founder of Vanguard. And he was a big fan of index investing. Um and so is actually Warren Buffett. And so index investing is is not picking individual stocks, but buying

um uh a market like say like the S P five hundred or or uh you know an index of the bond market. And it it really has been proven is to be is one of the best, most reliable ways to invest and outperforms, you know, hedge funds long term. It's like John Bogle, the the you know, the person that uh the the creator of Vanguard was really the pioneer in coming up with this concept and creating the um mutual fund index fund mutual funds back way back in the day. Anyway. That guy, Bogleheads, his name's last name is Bogle, and his fans are called Bogleheads. So it's a B-O-G-L-E Head's Guide to Investing. I think is a fantastic book and will introduce you to the concept of index investing, which um is is really tried and true and the best way to go.

Um and You know, it's uh it's definitely something that uh was was Someone I read probably a decade ago and then continue to reread every few years. Yeah, Joel Joel Greenblatt's. Books are also quite good. I think it's like the little blue book of investing, little green book, Joel Greenblatt.

And I think he wants to said to me, I don't think I'm talking out of school by saying this, but that You should effectively read his books. in the opposite order they were published. So read from the most recent to the oldest. The oldest

talks a lot about event based investing, which is very, very interesting. Exactly. Somebody I Seagal, how to be a stock market genius. Terrible title on some level, kind of like the four hour work week. Excellent, excellent, excellent book. Uh and I second Bogle as a recommendation. Uh you know what I've been uh paying a lot of attention to, Kevin, because it's like in bear markets, bull markets. domestic international what has outperformed almost every other asset class.

Can you guess? Don't say real estate. I hope you're Porn ETFs. Yeah. You're big into that and the marijuana stocks. Yeah, I'm fifty fifty. Tim's portfolio right there. Yeah.

Rule number one of investing, never underestimate human vice. Uh that's not true. That's a lie. So What were you gonna say? What was it? No, that was it. It was just a layup for a for a setup for setup for a joke. Set up for a joke. I I will I will say though on the investing front

That No matter what Everyone who is listening to this or watching this right now, I think should think of themselves as investors because you have Resources. You have, say time, you have energy, you have

hours you have capital. And you choose how to allocate those resources. If you have to choose and you do and not choosing is also a decision. You are an investor, right? And you're looking for a a a result or a return on investment from allocating those different resources. So you you you can you can really think like an investor, even if you don't have much disposable income at the moment or no income. You can still think of yourself as an investor and hone the thinking

The types of thinking and the process of good investors. And that's where these books I think are very interesting. I read uh a lot of these books. the uh books by Bogle Books by Joel Greenblatt. Absolutely fuck all. I had nothing. Nothing. And

It's been like a slow simmer with that. in the background for a long time and now very fortunately You and I are in positions where we can utilize it, but we Prepared. in a sense beforehand, right? I mean I was I was reading books on investing when I I I had not a s penny to my name.

Yeah. And Uh this is uh I think a a good time to even if you don't have money to invest. To read about investing.

And to paper trade. Right. And there are probably apps that allow you to do this very easily, but to effectively say, All right, let's pretend that I have a thousand dollars right now or ten thousand dollars. Where would I put that money? And you make a record of where you've committed hypothetically to put that money and then you will Bitcoin performance over time.

And you can look at why you were or if you were right, if you were wrong, to what degree you were right or wrong, and why you think you were right or wrong. Uh Bitcoin. You're more of a crypto than I am. I'm not uh I I I know very little of crypto, but

Uh I I do think it's it's important to emphasize that The way you end up being a good investor From my perspective is by thinking a lot about the types of decision making

that makes a good investor before you actually start allocating. money to things. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. And I I really like what you said around inve like thinking about how to invest your your own time during times like this as well. I have two examples of that. One I know someone that is working part time, still has a little bit of income, but doesn't have the other portion of their income.

and is now going to um take online classes for Um as far as they can go to become a nurse. And he is um said, This is the perfect time to do that. And um I know someone else has laid off And it was like hey, where's the best coding school?

that I can learn how to code. And it was like now's the time. I'm gonna be collecting unemployment for the next few months. There's not gonna be any crazy great job opportunities, but I wanna learn how to code. And I can I know that that can be done in six months' time, right? So You know, it's like That's uh now's a great time to j invest in in yourself. In some sense. Do you wanna talk about I know you put this in your newsletter recently, maybe today.

Treehouse? Other options? Where should people go? Yeah, I mean there's there's a ton of options out there. I I has l Lambda School There's I'm reading comments. People are like Tim Ferris is multitasking. I'm reading your goddamn comments. No, it's it's great. Actually, if people um want to post them in the comments, yeah, free code camp. There's a ton Uh I I hesitate to r recommend Treehouse because I'm an investor there. It it is a high quality product, but there's a lot of funny. He's talking his book. He's talking his book. Don't listen to that. You know what I mean? It's like we get in trouble anytime we say anything like that. So but the code code academy is another great one. There's a lot of them. I here's what I would say. This is the real talk. Go out there, sign up for three of'em.

And figure out which ones you like. Like take a couple of classes on each one and be like, Mm, this instructor is talking to me more that are speaking to me more than another one. I'm gonna go with this one. And maybe it's a paid one and maybe it's a free one. Who knows? But but try a few. YouTube is also honestly just incredible. I I've uh I know a number of people who've gotten really up to speed on everything from virology to Options trading. On

UTI. And these are These are really smart people. And they've found some of the best options for free on YouTube. Turns out that YouTube is a popular thing. Yeah, I know I've heard of it. I've heard of it I've heard of that YouTube. A little late to the late to the party, but I love the comments like Yes, Tim, thank you. YouTube, yes, learn love YouTube. Everybody loves YouTube, Tim. Good good rec. Yep.

Yep, you're welcome. I I am the bleeding edge. The bleeding edge of new technology. Yeah. Uh good Lord. What else uh what what else? Would you find helpful to read? Right now, Kevin.

Uh honestly, man. What what what are you reading? What are you reading? I'm not reading. I'm not reading. I'm what I'm doing right now is uh listening to podcasts about the coronavirus. Like I think that Peter Tia has converted his podcast, The Drive, into a fantastic resource for the latest research on coronavirus. What we should be doing, what happens if you come down with it, what what You know, I mean we all have our little Actually this uh I don't know if you're comfortable sharing like your medical like what would you do if you do think we talked about that or no?

What would I do if what if you came down with it? Like what would you I'm medical advice, right? Dangerous, dangerous territory. Yeah. I think I think just by I think if we were to give both, and we're not giving investment advice. We're not registered investment advisors. But I think If we wanted to make this the perfect Venn diagram of of unnecessary liability that we could talk about medical, but I think it'd be I think it'd be irresponsible. I will say this that I am

Optimistic, I'm bullish about therapeutics for coronavirus. In other words, treatments that will Not necessarily cure. uh so to speak, but mitigate the severity of Covid nineteen, I I'm less optimistic about vaccine. Development.

Yeah. Well at least in the short term, obviously. Right. There's there's nothing that can happen. Short term meaning twelve to eighteen. Eighteen months. Yeah, exactly. Twelve months would be a miracle. Yeah, be a world record. Yeah. And uh it could be. I mean it who knows, right? I mean the US the US If we're talking about the US then this is really a global issue, but The US is going to be the largest hotspot in the world.

Oh dude, it already is. Yeah. No, I I'm just saying like it's going to be Yeah we were looking at maps. Before we started recording.

And you're like this is gonna look like the Verizon. It does. It looks like the Verizon availability chart. Like our the US map does. It's it's ridiculous. Yeah. I mean we're gonna be All red. So Uh I I'm up to you.

I have my I have my suspicions, but I'm curious why you think that is. And we don't have to let's not talk about Trump. Don't blame the the the why No. I don't think it has anything to do with I mean it has I think it has actually very little to do with Trump. We're not gonna be all red, I take it back. We're gonna be red based on how the maps represented because they make the red circles large based on the number of cases in a given location. Therefore, when you zoom out and you look at a map of the United States, even New York kind of swallows the entire Northeast. So there's there's uh there's a challenge kinda Edward Tufty style. in visual representation.

For that map. V we will be based on how we're currently representing that data. Entirely red based on a distribution across I say in the short term Miami, New Orleans.

Et cetera. But if you look at the it'll if you look at the kinetics of the disease in, say, Washington compared to New York is very, very different. Based on And what's many factors.

Well, if you look at the con the if you look at the R naught, right? If you look at the replication of the virus. It's very different based on population density and the diamond. I mean And that's why. I wouldn't expect, for instance, like s I I'm not I wouldn't expect South Dakota to be a huge house. Right, right. I get that. I know who's not gonna be massive, right? Yeah. So so there will be in some

There in some respects fire breaks. Between Places that could be hot spots. And You know, my my expectation a few weeks ago was that because the US is loath to impose any strict type of geographic lockdown that from New York

The places that would explode would be Where all the second homes are. from people who are escaping New York. In other words Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, Connecticut, upstate New York, Long Island, and Florida. Right. And then you have event based

Jumps in Cases such as spring break. Based in Florida plus than in the returning students, say to Texas, 44 cases, I believe, yesterday. And Then you have Mardi Gras, New Orleans. So I'm extremely happy that South By didn't happen in Boston.

Yeah, thanks for helping push that. That was huge. Yeah, my pleasure. Uh it's uh shit for it at the time, but I felt I felt pretty confident in the data. But but Uh we're talking a lot about covet, probably I don't know if we want to keep doing it, but the the the point I was gonna make is Therapeutics optimistic vaccine pessimistic, but

I really feel Like Uh Well, I should say like I'm more optimistic now than I was four weeks ago. About

how the US can recover reasonably quickly. Uh and and but recover is not the right word. What I mean is implement. А фаз апроч. to reintroducing people to jobs and economic activity. So here's my three step plan, if you will.

Oh. Kevin's three step plan. We need to be testing anyone and everyone. My So

I have a nanny that helps with our two kids. She got extremely sick. Had Chest issues where she couldn't breathe. Fever.

Uh the whole gamut, like everything that you would check as a box of like, okay, you have it, right? She's been home now for a week and a half. She went to the emergency room two days ago. In Portland, Oregon. And They would not test her. 'Cause she didn't walk in with a fever. She didn't have an active fever.

We have to be Insanely aggressive about testing. That's one. Number two. People that have recovered, we need antibody tests and they need to say, I've been recovering and can r return to work. We need to know who those people are. And give them the green light to go back and help Start things up again, right?

Like I think that's ex insanely important. And we also like I one of the things that Um, we need to be good as is like really, and this is gonna be more important six, eight months from now, is really when we do see a flare up. Like do that contact tracing. And really telling people to lock down because it's just not just gonna go away. Like it's gonna keep we're gonna have flare up after flare up after flare up. We have to make sure that we're really guess aggressive about contact tracing and making sure that people stay home if they've been in contact with someone that's infected. Yeah. Yeah, I I've I've been on

Text and the phone. quite a bit today with two different groups who are developing digital contact tracing. technologies uh and they're all There are already a number of apps. that have been developed, for instance, in Singapore that work very well.

And Singapore It's kinda like New Zealand in the sense that it's Pretty small. It's self-contained. Yeah. And it it makes for a good laboratory. So uh

I am Optimistic that If there are Fazed Steps put in place with enforcement. That is

In all caps with enforcement and penalties for those who do not comply. Did you see them beating people with sticks in India? To stay inside. That was crazy. We could never do that in the United States. Like they were literally like dudes on scooters like hitting people with rods to stay inside. Like Yeah, as much as I would like to do that, there are criminal penalties and uh Nepal, similar story.

There's something to be said about that though, man. Like that they get people to stay in, you know? Like and it wasn't like they were like beating them more, like they're breaking bones. Like it's like just like a like a bad spanking. Like it's it's weird, but I mean a really bad spanking. These are like bow staffs. But Uh the the uh you know the X factor for me is a non compliant population in the United States. And a a by design like cultural evolution, a defiant disobedient population. And

Uh We shall see how a politically divided country is able to implement Or not implement strict

Uh Basically, I mean the less strict we are in the next month or two. The longer. This is gonna last. Sure. Right.

And Mm- You have a lot of Perverse. incentives involved with, say, folks who are hoping for reelection.

And if it's a short term reelection They're willing. to make compromises for public health in order to at least appear as though they're attempting to reinvigorate the economy. to serve their political interests, which is disgusting, but totally understandable. And really, I think a lot of it has to come, and I don't know if it can illegally, at least at this point, from the federal level. There have to be really, really strict

uh penalties. for violation of uh breaking, say, home quarantine or isolation rules in Korea. It escalated from like four to eight thousand dollars US in the equivalent in one. In uh where was it? Some place I can't recall.

Uh maybe the Philippine Maybe the Philippines, actually, I could pull it up here. Let me tell you, said that those who violate The lockdown orders could be shot. Uh that is that's a little hardcore for us Tim here in the States. Yeah. Philippines. Philippines president says violators of lockdown measures could be shot. Yeah, China China Shenzhen also banned cat and dog meat consumption. That's a separate story. The Uh Chat says uh Spain finds up to thirty thousand dollars.

So dollars or not, but I I do think that without Punishment slash rewards. Uh that a lot of this is wishful thing. UK is thirty pounds, as somebody said. Thirty yeah, thirty pounds is like

It's a fucking joke. I mean, come on. So What do you do on the thing front? Do you have uh like a freezer full of shit or what are you doing? Oh yeah, yeah. I mean I'm I'm fully like bison and shit. You have like crazy meats. Yeah, I have Axis deer, I've got venison. I knew it I knew that.

I have I have hundreds of pounds of of meat and holy crap I could possibly need. So Joe Rogan style is what the people said in the comments. Yeah, Rogan's Rogan's got his elk. Um I have my ax I've got my Axis deer. And people are asking what type of wine glass this is. It's called Zalto. Z A L T O

Oh, you got the fancy shit. Yeah, I've got like whatever these Costco um Bumbling idiot. uncoordinated person wine glasses are without the stem. That's my that's my jam. Those are those are easy. Easy clean. Just throw those in the dishwasher. Uh

Let's see. Let me let me look at some questions here. Tim, do you live in a high rise or a house? I live in a house. Tim, please chug your wine. Said uh Ikari One Two Three. Uh I'm not gonna drink my wine. No thank you. I'm no longer

I'm no longer eighteen. Uh is now an ideal time to adopt a dog. I would actually like to speak to this for a second. A lot of people are adopting dogs just as an excuse to be able to get outside. Uh that's actually something that's been seen in New York City, for instance, where lots of people are adopting dogs who I am not convinced have a long term intention of keeping said dogs. That fucking bothers me. Having grown up on Long Island where city people No offense to Manhattanites would come out, adopt a dog for the summer just to keep their kids occupied, and then put their dog back in the pound at the end of the summer. And that, in my opinion, is Fact.

I think you are morally corrupt if you do such things. So is it the ideal time to adopt a dog? If you're going to keep that dog. And you're going to Make your life fit around the dog. Not the other way around.

Then I would say consider it. Yeah, otherwise selfish prick. When when you return to work, if you're if you're like leaving your dog at home for extended periods of time, that's that's not cool. They need Interaction and love and attention. All that good stuff. Yeah. Question for you, Kevin. I I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this. So investing question. Betterment slash wealthfront versus investing straight in Vanguard. Yeah, I mean that's hard. I I well I'm an investor in in wealth front. So and I put that out in my newsletter today. I mentioned that. Me too. Me too. You're an investor too as well.

So you know, I think uh honestly though, I have used Betterman. I think it's a great product. Wellfront's great too. I like the risk parity part that uh Wellfront offers. Um and I've used Vanguard as well, just like straight up Vanguard. To buy stuff and it's fine. So I would say um research them all and do whatever you're comfortable with.

That is the most lawyer response. I love them. That's why I invest it. I think it's a great project. I know, but what do you like about them? Uh well, it's the risk parity. They have this this special thing. What does that mean? Well, it's it's a fancy thing that he like really expensive hedge funds use to get better returns and they offer it um to their clients, which is normally not something you would get at a unless you had a lot of money to invest. And I love that they're taking that and dropping that down and making it more accessible to to most people. So that's um they do a lot of the um uh harvesting, tax lost harvesting, which I think in so does Betterment. Which is great. It's just the these robo advisors are so much smarter than your traditional Like um s classic advisor you call on the phone that's gonna, you know, make changes for you once a year or twice a year. They they're optimizing using algorithms for taxes and a whole slew of different things. So

Forget the fact that we're saying we both invest in a wealth front. Like a robo advisor in general is gonna be a better performing advisor for you than the most individual uh advisors that are out there. Couple questions. Mulligan twenty six, coping advice with single room quarantine for two weeks. Single room. Oh my God. Yeah, I would say exercise number one. Wine for sure wine. It's on that's on the list. And And that then leads to Gramberry. Tim, what's your favorite bodyweight workout routine? Uh gymnastic body.

Or gymnastic bodies that's Uh Coach Summer. Christopher Summer, S O M M E R. His program is just fantastic. I highly recommend. Yeah, let's talk about working working out for a sec, because I think that's a good one. A lot of people are turning towards that. Um I will say two things. One, I'm not an investor in this company, so I can say this freely. Uh Fitbod, I've been using lately. Uh if you have free weights at home or you're just doing body weight workouts, they have a great app. I

I know it's on iOS. I don't know if it's in Android. I think it is. It's called Fit B O D. Um I've been using that for my free weeks that I have uh here at the house. Uh, Peloton is my main form of cardiovascular exercise and they also have other classes and they're actually giving away ninety days of their app as well, which is a whole of disclosure. What?

I I own I why I own Peloton stock. And so do you. Do you? No, I don't. I but I'm looking at it very closely. But I do not yet. They have they have actually sponsored your podcast, which you didn't mention, which I'm a little offended by. Yeah. That's true. Peloton has sponsored my podcast. I have one upstairs. I do love

Love me my Peloton. I I got you into that. Yeah, you did. You did. You totally did. You and uh Mark Benioff got me into Pelton. I love how um The Teloton story about I I I w so p Tim was like I'm not gonna tell you my Peloton account because I wanted to race you, right?'Cause you can do these racing things. And you're like, you're like, I'm not giving you my username, blah blah blah. And I emailed your assistant and I was like, Hey, what's uh I just want to check on Tim's username for his Peloton account'cause I wanna like friend him up or whatever. And she sent me your login information with your password. Do you remember that? That wasn't me. I do.

I was very unhappy about that. I I I told you, I remember I was like Tim, do not fire her, do not be upset. She didn't know, but she sent me your entire belt unlocking information. Fucking like social engineering layup. Just like casual walk down the court layup. I love it. Good Lord. Uh I'm looking at some of these questions. Three fiction books you would gift to each other. That's a good question. Martin Sangue.

Uh, three fiction books. Well, I know Kevin can't spell, so I assume his reading level is probably sixth or seventh grade. So based on that, first of all I would I have A learning disability. So if you want to I do Paul. What is your learning disability? Lazy spelling. No, I'm just not a good speller. I've had issues. Sometimes they get the the the letters swapped and I love Grammarly. Grammarly is a great product that helps me out there. But I'm just saying if you want to make fun of people with learning disabilities, I I get it. Like But that's it. No, I'm real talk, though. I always have had a little bit of an issue with that. It's it's nothing I can memorize. Like it's it's a it's a brain thing. Something's something's up there. I think you just type with your knuckles on your iPhone. We can take this line by the way. Exhalation.

Hundred percent agree. Yes. Fantastic series of short fiction books that are amazing. Highly recommend. So good. Yeah. Exhalation is outrageously good. Uh Another one if you haven't read it.

I think everyone should read Dune. By Frank Herbert. It's just a One of the best. world building fiction books of all types. Daria's my wife's favourites is like

Yeah. It's so good. If you want if you want to Basically learn let's just say ninety percent of the lessons of leadership that you would get from reading up. A hundred of the best business books nonfiction on leadership. Just read Dune. It's so good. I love that book.

So I should get that on I do a lot of audible. Should I is it good on Audible or I'm sure it's good. It'll just take you like six years to learn the book. I I started showgun uh I started showgun on Audible. It's like the you will complete this in a half years. Like Yeah. Shogun's also incredible. Super long. It's oh so far so good, man. It's amazing. Yeah, Shogun is is also exceptional. Uh I would say what else would you recommend?

for fiction. I I mean I've been getting back into fiction. I think fiction is very Medicinal. Yeah, has a therapeutic value during times like this. I really do. I'm reading a book called Little Big Little. Comma. big right now, which is

A It's a difficult read. It's the prose is so beautiful. But it requires Concentration. And if you can

Commit to fifty pages of it. You will probably buy in, but it's it's an effort. It's not as easy to read as say Kurt Vonnegut or Like Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut, right? It's just an incredible book. It's easy to read. He's hilarious. That's an easy fiction book to read. When do you when do you dive into something like that? What what what gives you the space mentally? Cause like for me, if I'm doing some fiction, it's very casual. I've had a glass of wine, I'm chilling, Darry doesn't have anything else to do, I put in my You know, AirPods and I just like just zone out a little bit. It's just like fun, but I don't want to like be really thinking serious about something.

Like w when do you do that? Yeah. You know, recently just this is just in the last handful of days, I've been reading a little big Whenever I feel Anxious and as though I can't stop.

In the sense that If I have a to-do list in front of me of things I've somehow convinced myself are of great importance and I can't stop and I need to rush to lunch or whatever it might be. Uh that to me is a signal of scarcity and faulty thinking. So Today, for instance, I did this. I took two breaks and just read

For ten or fifteen minutes as a way to calm my nerves. Yeah. Uh And I've been using it that way. This book Little Big also is one of those books Where, for instance, if you if you read The Baron in the Trees by Italo Calvino, which is an incredible book.

The barren in the trees. They're only a handful of characters. So you can stop reading the book for a week, pick it back up. And you're fine. Little big. is so Complex.

And there's so many characters and there's a Really Difficult family tree involved. that you cannot put this book down for a week or you'll be total totally fucking lost. So you really have to read a little bit every day. Which right now, right now for me, I like Yeah, like that that there's that incentive to a little bit. Jin like I typically hate those types of books. Like Game of Thrones.

You're like, okay. They're introducing like the forty second character and you're like, Okay, who are you again? Like it's like Dave I can't even say this. Dave Dave Inks, something like that, recommended Zorba the Greek. I think Zer of the Greek is a fantastic book.

That is actually a great book to read right now because it really contrasts this type A control freak with this freewheeling. Epicurean Zorba. That is a great, great Great book. I would say I would suggest. Somebody just said

the TJ Rivera. Dune is excellent on Audible, which I would fucking because it's such a clo such a classic. Fear is the mind killer, yes, the Benedicer litany against fear. I've got a I've got a question for you, Tim, that now that we're a couple of glasses deep, or I think are are you have you drank two glasses or no? Yeah, I'd say so. I'd say yes. All right. So I'm curious, like you mentioned a m a minute ago about, you know, when you need a break to go and and read this book, right? Like you like the stress kind of thing.

What is w what's bothering you?'Cause I think most people like watching this would think You've got it all very successful. Plenty of money, like held up, plenty of plenty of bison. Like w what is it? But like really, what is it that's like w what what's getting under your skin? Like what what's bothering you these days? Uh yeah. Well that presupposes that I know what it is that's bothering me. Interesting. So

I I would say Plenty of ayahuasca journeys to uh even things out a little bit. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. I mean we we could talk about that separately. We we could talk about that if you like, but ayahuasca is a big gun. I don't I don't recomm recommend that for everyone, uh actually recommend it for a very, very small percentage of people, but The The

this period of time and this amount of uncertainty and the heightened fear that many people are feeling, I think. brings to the forefront whatever it is that you haven't dealt with. Hm. Whatever it is you haven't processed. And

I spent much of my life numbing myself. And turning off sensitivities in the last few years have have entailed M turning back on many sensitivities.

And I I think Fundamentally I'm a very sensitive person, and that doesn't mean that I'm easily offended, I mean sensitive like an instrument. Like a jewelry scale versus a body weight scale. And

Uh the It's interesting you mentioned that. I've noticed that about you, dude, to be honest. Like I've known you for a while now. Quite a while. that more than a decade. Yeah. And I would say that when I first met you, you were very Um

Hardened. You know, and you softened a lot. And you become In a in a more fragile in it, and I mean that in a way of like uh it's actually a stronger position to be in. Um, someone that can actually talk about what's going on. And that wasn't the case ten years ago.

Definitely was not the case ten years ago. Yeah, I appreciate you saying that, man. I'm more It's a beautiful thing. You definitely have. You definitely have. I've I've become more Porous and permeable. In so much as I've taken a lot of armor off and Armor is helpful in some ways in the sense that it keeps things out. It also keeps a lot trapped within

When you take the armor off then you're exposed to More. And Uh, so perhaps ten years ago the weight of the world and

All these deaths and all the unemployment. wouldn't have affected me very much, but It's affected me a lot. In the last few weeks. And uh

So I think there's a A morning period? that I'm going through that has been very emotionally difficult. I'm not worried about me personally, right? Like financially, who the fuck cares? I mean I and I and I say that. In such a way very deliberately because

If I were to try to spin some type of woe is me story, it would be so fucking absurd that I would want you, Kevin, to like slap me through the fucking internet because You and I are both very, very fortunate. And we've also worked very hard and made some good decisions, but we've also had a lot of luck. Ton of life. Ton of luck. And Uh so so I am in

I I'm in a good position. I'm in a good position to help my family, but The the stuff that is being brought up. Is largely things I can't identify. These are things from my past, things from my childhood probably.

That are causing a level of anxiety in the face of uncertainty that has no basis. In my current Security. Does that make sense? Like I I'm not worried about my mortgage payment. I'm not worried about my food.

But None the less. I have this high level of anxiety At times.

Last few days have been quite good. I've I've actually felt pretty good the last few days, but There are these moments when I'll go to bed, I'm exhausted. At the end of every day these days, I'm completely spent. Okay. And I'll go to bed and I'll lay in bed and all of a sudden I'm tired and wired. And my mind is just producing a million thoughts second.

That are all kind of anxiety driven. And I don't have an explanation for it. I just don't have a clean And that that itself has to drive more anxiety, right?'Cause you're like, Why can't you figure out what it is that's bothering me, you know? Yeah, yeah, totally. So I uh the thing I Yeah. No, please. I was just gonna say the the since you're sharing all this, like the thing that that

worries me the most is One uh I think It's hard because I see My sister um not having the work that she used to and so that's challenging.

Um, and and I see her struggles with her She's a single mom and she um is r trying to raise some uh teenager now at home and it's challenging, you know, working like being a teacher at home now. And my mom, who is eighty now. So those those things are both weighing on me. But I would say honestly, like the thing that scares me most is not not me getting this or not me getting sick from it. Cause you know, random people our age do die from this, right? It's like it's kinda weird like that. Like, you know. It's like you think you're fine and then you know, you're forty I'm forty two and I get hit or forty three and I get hit and I'm just like

Dead, right? Like it is happening. So I'm not scared of dying at all, actually. I'm scared of not seeing And being able to talk to my girls when they're gonna need it most, like through their formative years. А на тінь на а майко.

I just like I love my girl so much. I wouldn't want to To miss out on that. It's not the death part, it's the it's it's that part. So it's it's hard. It's like we all have these These things that are kind of like hanging over our heads, you know, it's it's difficult.

Yeah. What have you found helpful? Oh gosh, uh well a half bottle of wine definitely helps. Uh I would say. No, I would say helpful is to make this a weekly thing. You know, this could be our weekly therapy.

Они фуст і формос, втора дав. is and this is Mr. Rogers definitely said it best. I mentioned this in my news letter, like Anything that is human is mentionable and anything that is mentionable is manageable, and that is so true. Like if you can just talk about it with your spouse, with your friend. with anyone that you can try and create a social connection with and just be like, this is what I'm going through, just getting that off your chest is just like brings you down, it doesn't get you back to where you wanna be, like perfect and happy and held like so stoked and you know, but it does bring you down a couple notches.

And we just have to remember to do that every few days. Just like where did you get that quote? Was that Mr. Rogers? No, I I know it's fucking Mr. Rogers, but was it from the documentary about him or was it from the Tom Hanks version? It was something else. It was from the Tom Hanks version, which I loved and uh and I went and did then did a research to actually make sure it was from him and not just like Hollywood. And it it did come from him. So Um the Tom Hanks movie was phenomenal. It's available for rent now. You can get on Amazon and you can get on iTunes. It is it's a great uh it it's a great movie. It's it's it's It's not

Tiger King or the Tiger King's pretty great. Hey, we should talk about this. Let's move into what do we watch? Hold on. Before we get before we get Tiger King. So somebody suggested or they just mentioned how to stop worrying and start living. That's a Dale Carnegie book. That is fucking Fantastic. I Could not recommend it more.

It has very literal title, as do many Dale Carnegie books, but how to s how to stop worrying and start living is uh is actually an exceptional Exceptional book. So I would suggest. That's awesome. We gotta create a uh well, we're saving the video for this, so I guess we can do some show notes and stuff for all the stuff we talked about and and post it online. Yeah. So you were about to bring up what? What we're watching?

Yeah, what are we watching lately? G what are people uh watching these days? In terms of like favorite I Tiger King is like my favorite thing right now. I'm on episode three. Yeah, so we'll we'll get into that real quick. A Bucci says the people are saying ego consciousness may be underlying the anxiety. That's not accurate. I don't Actually fear death.

Which may be from out taking too many psychedelic Compounds, but that's not it. It's something else. Uh

So TBD. But Uh Let's see here. People are saying Ozark, by the way. Is that how you say it? Ozark? Like I I have heard multiple people it's on episode F or uh season three now. I if that's right, people will correct me in the chat.

Is it awesome? People are saying Ozark is awesome. Tiger King was good. I found the animal treatment depressing, so I stopped after two episodes. I may I may continue, but that hasn't been my go to. Yeah, but but but maybe I haven't passed like the point of no return with Tiger King. It is

It is so strange as to be compelling. Yeah. I get that. Yeah. Uh Daria won't watch it with me. I'm watching it solo. I sit in bed with my iPad and I watch it. She will n she will not watch it with my watch. Uh, she missed the first episode and then she's like, I don't want to watch something dumb and I'm like, eh, it's dumb, but it's kinda g good, you know? It's like

Uh. The the the three person marriage with that one young guy looking like he was fucking mind was amazing. It was so good. And then she definitely fed her Husband of the Tigers. It's I mean, that seems to be at least the way that the users want it to show. Yeah. I mean that's That's pretty crazy.

Uh people are saying Formula One. What is Formula One? Formula one. I mean, I understand what it is in terms of like his favorite thing ever. Yeah, racing. Race cars. But is it a documentary that people are talking about or like Oh, I don't know. I I assume that it's some kind of like sky. Yeah, you I don't get it, guys. I'm sorry. Like I

I can appreciate how difficult it is. I can appreciate how the Mercedes teen spends like five hundred million a year. Yeah, but you can appreciate all of that, but like I don't actually know how to discern the skill from watching these cars go around. But here's here's the interesting thing. People are saying that this is so amazing. Uh like everyone's saying Formula One, F one, F one. I c if it's a documentary, like why not watch an episode of it? That sounds like

Even I'm not into it either. Watch the documentary Senna. S E N N A. It's Fucking fantastic.

It's so good. Highly recommended. I don't know. People aren't saying that. They're saying Formula One in the chat. Oh they don't know what they're they they don't know what they're talking about. F one. Then they would agree with Senna.

Peter Atia. So his favorite driver of all time is Erton Senna. Yeah. And uh the documentary is just Fantastic. I highly, highly recommend. What else are you watching besides Tiger King? I don't watch it. I don't we don't watch TV. We don't watch uh

I was. No, I'm being serious. We don't I I'm I Like If people really want to know the real me, I will tell you the truth. I we don't watch any TV. We watch I love MBA. I will watch basketball.

Um, if my team is doing well, which is the Green Bay Packers, I will watch some football, even though I'm kinda conflicted there because of the head injury stuff. And I would say that uh I watch movies. Like if there's like I watched the new Star Wars, I thought it was great. I don't know why people hated on it. I I didn't watch it in the theater, I just watched it when it came out, you know, rented it and thought it was amazing. But I'm not we're not huge T V people. You watching the chat? TV Yes, I'm watching the chat. TV. What the fuck are you talking about? TV. It's not like you have coaxial cables coming out into some shit like that. I have YouTube TV. I use that as my main TV. I don't have any more Uh you watch basketball and movies. That's very ungratifying. What movies do you watch? Dude, basketball is amazing, by the way. It's like the one of the best sports out there.

And movies I would say I watched Contagion recently, which is Have you not seen Contagion? Uplifting. Yeah, right. Have you seen it? I have seen contagion, yes. Yeah, it's really scary. It's it's like No, but it's like really crazy how it's like so like a it's kind of like what's happening right now. It's it's it's kinda nuts. Um

But yeah, I mean if there's an a occasional movie that comes out that is awesome I'll I'll put it on. I'm watching the amazing Mrs. Mazel on the You were saying a ma you were trying to get me to watch that like a couple weeks ago. I think it's hilarious. It's great. And uh that is our weekday, meaning my girlfriend and I watched this on weekdays. We differentiate between weekdays and weekends. You guys are so crazy. You have so many rules.

It's super helpful. Tell'em about how you can't talk about m Covid for more than a certain number of hours. Well no, I mean I think this is a good Uh good roll actually. So Yeah.

Uh it's been difficult to enforce. Uh but I try and it's been encouraged very strongly to not talk about Covid after dinner hours. And we have dinner together. Almost every night.

And we light a candle. It's very romantic. We uh open the sliding doors so we can hear Some of the The sounds from nature. Usually this is around say six thirty, seven o'clock. Tonight is an exception,'cause I'm getting shit faced with Kevin. on the internet with our however many thousand closest friends. And uh so that that that's one guideline that we haven't been following very closely, but

Actually it's been better in the last few weeks. Cause I was so early on this that I feel like I've distributed my anxiety Whereas You were on the phone and you're like I I can't talk about COVID. Like I I passed the hour. I pass the I passed the time when I was supposed to be talking about it. I was like, What are you talking about, dude? Like it's I think it's very reasonable of my girlfriend to not want me to talk about fucking covet past a certain hour. But

But we uh we often exercise in the morning. That's one ritual. We also then have dinner tonight. Or not tonight, but almost every night. Together.

Uh someone asked about best meal made during quarantine. Uh we really like butternut, not butternut, I always say that spaghetti squash. Which can be cleaned, it can be disinfecting very easily'cause the rind is thick. Plus Uh ground axis deer. Plus tomato sauce, garlic, oregano, and a few other things. It's fucking amazing. Sounds like

Oh it's so good. It's just Unbelievably good. So that that's one. Uh then the differentiation between weekdays and weekends I think is actually quite important because when every day can be groundhog day. It is psychologically a reprieve when you can delineate or provide break points and sort of

Open chapter, closed chapter on a weekly basis. So for us. That means that On the weekends we watch movies or Uh we watched something that is not our primary weekday series, which currently is the amazing Mrs. Mazel. So last weekend, for instance, we binge watched some of season two of Westworld.

And there are a number of documentaries that we may end up watching. But we'll reserve the amazing Mrs. Mazel for We're going to be able to do it.

And uh it's been it's been helpful. It's been it's it's just helpful in a world of uncertainty. To have Rules and certainty. related to certain things.

And I'm sure that Uh some folks will find That's ridiculous. I'm sure some would find it very helpful I think you said it we we we find it helpful. I think what you said around it being Groundhog Day rings true for a lot of people and that because we are all quarantined, it is like kind of the same thing, you know, over and over again.

And one of the things that Daria, my wife, like s said was like I wanna Like last night was our seven year wedding anniversary. And she's like, man. Thank you. And she was like, I wanna dress up. Like I wanna like w I know we're sitting across from each other at home, but I wanna put on something really nice. And I'm like, Okay, same here. Like I'm gonna put down on like a nice button down shirt and like do it proper because like You know, it's y you kinda have to like

say let's not just fall into the same thing every single time. And I I think a schedule could help with with things like that, you know, like to change it up a bit. Yeah. So what do you guys do? You got you took off your underiz. You're onesie. And you got dressed up. What do you guys do for your anniversary? Which is fucking crazy, by the way. I mean it shows you how long we've known each other.

Yeah. Uh Because that doesn't seem that long ago. And I remember being at the wedding.

Seven years. That's fucking nuts. I know it's crazy, man. It's crazy. It's it's been an amazing adventure And uh I've learned a lot. But I would say that uh Yeah, I mean we just basically had dinner.

Um just kinda hung out the house. I mean there's not like a lot to do, you know? It's like what are you gonna do other than just like having em we had like a nice little meal and some dessert, which we don't don't normally do and A little too much. Don't even start with the no dessert. I've seen you when I stand at your place with uh my girlfriend not too long ago. I remember We came back from dinner. You were polishing off pot you were polishing off pints of ice cream. Listen. You hit that ice cream too.

We shared a pint. And you killed most of it. And that was good ice cream. It was good. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna accept the I killed most of it. I did take the like beggars. Well we ate some animals That's true. We did. We also then we hit the ice cream hard. Which facilitates the ice cream.

That was amazing ice cream, by the way. Yeah, yeah, it's really good. They make good ice cream here in Portland, Oregon. Truth people are saying truth comes out in the comments. It's legal, people. It's legal. It's legal. It's legal.

Um Salt and straw. What is what is salt and straw? Is that the ice cream company? Yeah, it is not the one that we had, uh, but it is it is one of the best in Portland for sure. Has Tim's Rivals the one we catch. Noah Johnson. I don't know what my position on weed was. So it's hard for me to say

I'm not anti weed. I'm just just kidding. A lot of weed makes me fucking paranoid, so I don't enjoy taking it. Okay. Uh Alright. With the whoop bands. No

I've had issues with the woo band, man. I had a boo band. What the hell is that? It's like a Fitbit, fancy Fitbit, and I I I I want to love it. I do remember this. Yeah. I do remember that. What the whoop? Or the weed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the whoop. Okay. No. No weed right now. I actually do use weed will calm you, dude. Thanks, Syphazar. Uh I do use

Uh full spectrum C B D oil for sleep. Where do you get that from? I don't remember the brand.'Cause I like the pure encapsulations uh full spectrum C B D. Which is quite nice. That might be what I have, actually. Yeah.

Yeah, they make a good one. It's like ten or twenty milligrams per per thing. Kim, do you still ride your boosted board? Absolutely not,'cause I I view it as Suicidal. for me at the moment. It's just too fast. Like the the the speed limiter on it is

Exceptionally. high. So I I have very little confidence in my ability to do a stop, drop and roll if I wipe out it. twenty miles an hour. Uh how did I lose fifteen pounds? Yeah. Client client giant COM.

asks uh by forgetting to eat because I'm too fucking stressed out. I don't recommend that as a diet approach necessarily. Uh more sleep recommendations. Having troubles, groundhog days. This is from N Medler. What recommendations might you have. Yeah, so sleep is definitely something that I've spent a lot of time um Playing around with the

Yeah, uh I think Max has a great point here, Max Goldberg. Uh, Matt Walker's book, Why We Sleep, is a phenomenal resource for this stuff. Um That said, I've done low dose melatonin. Um, and also the um magnesium.

Is is uh The one that you recommended to him at the beginning of the show. Mag teen. Yeah. That's uh Diana. Daria Daria, my wife she takes that every night. She takes the one that's from a brand called Live On, which is is a liposomal form. And uh and she swears by it. Like she she loves that. All all the Royd monsters love live on. Do they really? Why?

Oh yeah. for liver recovery after taking their alpha alkylated oral anabolics. So what do they take for liver recovery? Uh I can't remember the actual product. They vitamin C, they do a magnesium. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Uh I also use their liposomal vitamin C. I do too. That's my favorite vitamin C. Tastes like horse semen, but you know. I've never had horse semen, but I would imagine that uh It it probably you have. Yeah, you have. No, you have had the seamless. If it if you had live on

Vitamin Cause I know they've tried some crazy stuff at your house and four hour chef had some I think there was a recipe within there with horse semen that You know, of all my books, I think the most appropriate right now for quarantine is the four hour chef. It is uh I'm drunk enough to say this. It is the perfect book for quarantine. It really is. Is it an audible?

No, because it would make no fucking sense. I know. That would be amazing though. Like just hearing you being like one tablespoon baking soda. One tablespoon cinnamon. I would love that. Oh man. All right, what else do we have in the comments? Uh Let me take a look at our list of things that we wanted to cover because I I have to dive in. I'll look at the comments, you look at our list. Uh apps we've been using, I think we've kinda covered that. Shows we've been talking about Uh I think we covered everything we want to talk about. Is there anything else that people want us to talk about?

Um there'll be no shortage. Tim? Wim Hof. Oh, Kylot Bounce. Will you guys do this again? I don't know. What do you think, Kevin? Uh it's been fun. I would love to Yeah, especially if this this kind of craziness. continues, which I'm imagine it would. Like it'd be fun to do this every every few weeks, you know.

Make it monthly yeah, I think monthly would be fun. That's that's a good idea. Cool. Um any Should we do any parting notes or any like any things that we wanna See on the way out.

How was the stream quality? I'm curious for people, was it good? Great, great, good. Awesome. I'm glad this worked out. Because here's the funny thing. I went on to uh Zoom

And Tim is like how are we gonna do this? Like let's figure it out. I I went into Zoom and they had a um what they call what did they call it? The uh What is the account called where like you oh the uh webinar account. I was like, Oh, we'll do a webinar with Zoom. It supports up to ten thousand people. And remember I sent you the price?

It's ten grand. It's ten grand for a Zoom webinar for ten thousand people. Yeah, it's crazy. So thankfully uh obviously we know Ben Ben at Caffeine, the CEO, and he he um offered to do this and Ben Ben's great, even though he almost killed me. Yeah, he almost killed you. That's a side note. Yeah.

If you want to look up Hamahawk. Skiing. Accident. That'll give you

A a nice image of what it looked like. as I catapulted myself head first down many steep inclines with Our dear friend Ben. Yeah, he's a big snowboarder. It did he was good, right?

No, he's much better at snowboarding than I am at skiing. Which led to the disparity in competence when we went down cornices and uh I ended up tomahawking head over heel. Over and over again.

Tim sounds like he has peanut butter stuck to the roof of his mouth. Eric Kaplan, that's because I've had a glass of wine. More than a glass of wine. Uh let's do some parting some parting thoughts. What are your parting thoughts? You know when they do like the uh I feel like you have an urgency to your escape from live broadcasts. I know that we have um We have Tom's dinner. Tom's drunk.

That was amazing. Whoever said Tom's drunk, it's got thirteen four sixteen hearts now. Twenty four, twenty seven, forty. Wow. Amazing. That person's hammed. Slayer soundtrack during Isolation Tim, Blood Red. Great workout track there. So good. Raining blood, yes. Rain and blood's pretty intense. Yeah, that whole album's very intense. But I I have a Spotify.

Work out that includes old Metallica And Slayer. It's it's good stuff. Oh man. On fucking white wine. Who gets drunk on white wine? Jeffrey. That's a good point. Yeah he's

Tim Ferris. That's who. Because you know why? Because I can. That's why. Random drug show. All right.

So let's do some parting thoughts here before we go. All right. Uh do you want to start? No, fuck no. All right, I'll start. Um I know it's tough. Give us a Gettysburg address. I want to hear something profound, Kevin. No, there's not there's nothing profound other than um

One, I wanna thank everybody for showing up tonight. It's nice to have a little break from the chaos, obviously. And Tim, thank you for agreeing to do this,'cause it's um It's just uh it's tough times. In and I think that You know, we've seen this uh this this type of thing impact everyone that we know. And it doesn't matter how rich you are, like w or how poor you are, like it's it's hitting everyone in a different way. And um I just wanna know I just wanna tell everyone out there that my my thoughts are with all of you. I know it's um This is gonna be a challenging few years. So we we'll get through it together and hopefully with a little bit of comedy and some random shows every now and then and our podcasts that we do and

You know, um I just uh want to encourage everyone to to to be safe. And to quarantine as much as possible. Stay home. Like uh I'm doing grocery want runs once a week now.

Um, I I have a little bit of stockpiled food, but I also go out to the grocery store and You know, uh There's no shame in in wearing gloves or wearing a mask or it's it's like It's it's real, so um I just wanna give much love to all the people

Watching this. Mr Rose. I would say To add to that. That um

Things are heavy. Things are heavy right now. And We will get through this. Even as

If this is, as Bill Gates would perhaps propose the Once in a century pandemic. The the human species, you know, the the the hominids that we are have existed for a very long time and we have made it through many pandemics. Many epidemics. Over time.

And we will make it through this one. And it is Your job in a way. now that natural selection and Darwinism are in full force once again. Yeah.

to not kill yourself and not kill other people. And uh I I would suggest that you As Kevin said, stay home as much as possible. Yeah.

Wear masks. The masks do help. Despite what the World Health Organization might lead you to believe. That's gonna change in a few days, dude. It's it's Yeah, it's fucking nonsense. Masks help, period. End of story. Especially if you're A asymptomatic. Sorry to interrupt, but like if you don't peop most people don't know they have it in that security. And Uh so one way to think about this is not just How do you protect yourself, but how would you act if you had COVID nineteen, if you were positive, how would you act so you would not contaminate anyone else?

Yeah. And uh there are a lot of ways to work around that. If you need to do grocery runs, you could consider using a Task Rabbit, for instance, who's already going to be exposing themselves, how can you piggyback on other activities? Et cetera. And so on.

But Uh I would say It's very helpful at times like this when we're so mired in the weeds and so overwhelmed. And so

Perhaps Uh stress in the face of uncertainty. To zoom it out. And if you zoom out, you could look at a book like

I believe it is the lessons of history. by William and Ariel Durant and When you read a book like that, which effectively takes ten thousand pages of documentation Jesus. Ready a synopsis and

then concentrates it down to about a hundred and twenty pages. That's not bad. Yeah. Then You realize how common what we're going through is. When placed in the context of a broader

human history. And For that reason, you know, there is reason to be careful. There is reason to be Cautious and strategic. But

humans will exist after this. I suspect it will be sooner than people expect. In terms of economic recovery. And As it stands right now.

I think the most important thing is to take this seriously now so that it doesn't extend Over eighteen to twenty four months. The more seriously you take it now, The less seriously you can take it twelve months from now. And uh

That that I think is worth highlighting. So That's what I'd say. I also extend my heart And Empathy to all those who are suffering right now with job loss, with economic uncertainty. And so on.

It's a fucking hard time and Uh Hopefully. Every everyone can do a little bit to help. the handful of people all around them.

Uh, you don't need to save the world, but if there's a barber or a dog walker or a coffee shop or someone near you. Who you can reach out to just to simply ask, what can I do to help? Is there anything I can do to help? That's a

major public service. And karmically you will be adding a lot to your bank account. Yeah. for the final tally. So that's is that's what I would say. Sometimes help is just

having a conversation with someone. Just getting them to a chance to vent and get things off their chest, you know? Hundred percent. The one thing I will say that when you were talking to him that you were coming up in the comments is that people were saying masks are not available. And I will say that I did see Uh a a very interesting it wasn't an article, I actually heard it on um on the radio.

Uh when I was driving in in the car. Um, it was talking about alternatives to the masks that people are using. And they have found that sewing fabric, like multi layered fabric, like c like Cotton masks and even scarves and other things. Anything you can do To cover your mouth and nose.

Um is effective. Is it gonna be clinical grade? Like maybe not, but You know, there's no shame in going to the grocery store with a a scarf over your mouth. Like there's the There's w these are difficult times and we gotta just make do with what we have. So I you know, it's like I'm

I'm doing the same thing. It's like It's it's it's tough, but we i until those uh become available to the general public, it's like we gotta do the best we can. Yeah. Something is better than nothing. A hundred percent. At this point. So number one, you know, I was saying do what you can.

Be responsible. Think about not just your safety, but the safety of those in your community and Also Try to be easy on yourself. Right. Nobody's fucking acing this right now. Nobody is. We're all fucking scared.

Yeah. Nobody is missing this. It's like I got an eighty year old mom that I'm freaking out about every single day because she goes out and checks the mail by herself and touches her mail and I'm like Maybe you shouldn't be doing that. Like there's things like, you know, little tiny holes in all this stuff. And like My mom's got really, really, really bad asthma. And so it's like a done done deal. She gets us and it's game over. And it's like

It just You know, we all are ha are struggling here, um in some capacity, and I know m some more so than others. So Uh, if you have this or you know someone that has it, we're rooting for you. We love you. Um

All we can do is give love and support to those around us. Yeah. Here here, man. That's all I have to say. Cheers, brother. So good. I'm out of wine. I can pour I can pour it to even more.

Are you completely out? Did you finish your w bottle? My bottles empty. Holy shit, you did that all yourself? I did. I'm proud of you, Tim Tim. Tom. Tim Tom. Thanks Kev Kev. Cheers.

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