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Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Tim Ferris Show, episode five hundred. I am your host, Tim Ferris. I'm not in Ferris. I'm Kevin Rose. Tim. Thank you for having me, dude. I I know I was your first guest on episode one. But I'm honored to be interviewing you for this episode.

I am so thrilled. And excited. And Wouldn't have it any other way. So

Stoked. To be reunited. We have some wine. I have this kind of like Magnum bottle. Of white wine. Kevin worried that I had already polished off seven eighths of it, but I had uh I'm in the jungle with uh an Italian. There's more to that, but

The table wine is courtesy of his house, and he gave me just enough Two. It looks kinda like horse urine in this smart shot. But uh just enough to have fun without getting sloppy because we have a history with wine. You know what's funny? I told Daria I was like Okay, here's the deal. I'm gonna pour two glasses into my glass. And I don't care if I'm texting you, do not bring the bottle back down. Like do not do it. And so I actually but I I I totally screwed up and I brought the bottle and sitting next to me now, but

Nice. It was a good plan, as for as long as it lasted. Um Dude, so I you know what's funny? I remember you came to me And you said. I think I wanna do a podcast and you've done podcasts before,'cause I had done like three hundred episodes of Dignation prior to

You know, you starting yours. And I remember this is horrible, but it's true. I remember just being like, Tim, don't do a podcast. It's stupid. But I was trying to talk you out of it. I feel so bad for that now because you went and you did it, and obviously it's a massive success. So Uh, what do I know? But you must have given me some type of good advice or the bad advice wasn't compelling enough. Yeah. Here we are.

And I remember recording that first episode. We were in San Francisco. My first apartment I'd rented in San Francisco. And this huge wooden table. Mm-hmm. And I remember being really nervous. We had all sorts of gear. We had all sorts of fancy you know

Like mixers and everything else. We had somebody helping. My hands are sweaty and I had a list of questions, a print out. Yeah, I remember in that first episode, number one It was Per your description Tim Tim Talk Talk because we didn't have a name.

And Then I remember asking you a question which was If you could be a breakfast cereal, what would you be and why? And you went Oh it's one of those interviews.

And I was like, Never again will I ask that question. You had to test them out though. You know, not every question works. Um you you were new to the games. It was good training. All right. So I saw you take a sip. So you've got your wine. Yeah. This is. So you're drinking the table wine. I'm drinking. Grocery.

Table wine. Familiar. Cello C I E L O From nineteen oh eight, Pino Grigio. And this is what this is. Out of my fancy yeah, like twelve ounce water glass, since I don't have any wine glasses.

I am doing the twenty sixteen Napa Valley Reserve. It is uh fantastic white wine. Um just a little Chardonnay. Good stuff. Congrats.

And congrats to a longstanding friendship. Honestly. It's been uh brother. Lots of adventures.

So cheers. Yeah. Cheers. Really nice to really nice to have continued to deepen and stay in touch over all these years. Yeah. Absolutely.

I feel like that is probably as sentimental as as it's gonna get and uh you seem to have Lots of Arrows in the quiver for questions. You gave me a lot of warnings. Via via t via text message and I've not reviewed anything. Uh well, so this is the cool thing is I was putting together a Google Doc and I was like, Okay, Tim, we'll show the Google Doc, I'll put some questions in there, tell me what you think. And he's like, Actually, I'd rather do this just sight unseen. Let's let's just roll with it. Um, so I went out, you know, did a little uh Twitter post, uh you retweeted it.

We got a few hundred questions there. Also Some of your good friends like Mr. Chris Saka. Uh who's a mutual friend of ours.

A very colorful questions, if you will. Uh I I kinda I'm kinda saving those for a little bit l well, actually I'm gonna start with a soccer one, but some of the more The more juicier ones are gonna be peppered in a little bit later in the show. So this is fun. This is a a good a good mix of of serious and crazy and uh yeah, it's a A shmorgis board of questions, if you will.

A great bag of podcasting delights. I'm ready. Okay. So here we go. I'm actually gonna lead off with a Saka question because he sent so many good ones. He said. What one thing do you eat that you've never wanted to admit to the four hour

Body tribe. So what's the Oh boy. Well, I will say the first thing that comes to mind because it's a recent example. is if I've had two or more glasses of wine and there is pizza within thirty feet of me It's game over. It's completely game over. So I was having a bunch of

Pizza and by a bunch, I mean like six to ten slices. Uh, just a few days ago. And this is at the tail end of a bottle of wine and my friend one of my friends I was with here said What would all of your readers of the four-hour body say? While you're prohibiting them from eating carbs. Look at yourself. And uh so that's that's the first thing that comes to mind. If there are any Tim Tams nearby, Tim Tams are this Yes.

cookie treat that I just think are delicious. They're amazing. And uh there's the Tim Tam, which is when you dunk it into something like milk or any number of other things. Tim Tams are also dangerous territory. So those are the pizza and tin tamps. When you say thirty feet away, do you mean that like your phone is thirty feet away and you order pizza and have it delivered to your house?'Cause'cause that's my That's what I do. That's my downfall. I'm I'm eliminating the phone from this. If I walk

Let's just say pre Covid times. Yeah. Had a few drinks. I'm walking down a street to get to wherever I'm going and we pass a pizza joint, or if it's within Like excusable rationalizing distance like, oh, let's just go over and take a look at the menu, right? If it's a right turn and you have to go a quarter mile, I'm not gonna do it. So I'll I'll try to preserve some dignity. But if it's within wandering distance, say there's a place called Home Slice on South Congress in Austin. And it's it's dangerously

Dangerously close to the main. kind of pedestrian area. So I would I would I would succumb. Yeah, we're we're in the same camp. If anything was within a couple blocks of my house, it's like game over. Like that's just gonna happen all the time.

Um, all right. So next next question. Uh, love the show. However, it seems that you're constantly searching for the next big life hack. Next product that will satisfy, et cetera. That would be exhausting and would lead to constant anxiety. My question Tim Have you found peace outside of having things or knowing things?

That's a damn fine question. Is this from the interwebs? It is. Yeah. My relationship to self improvement or thinking about hacks and so on.

has changed over time. And you know, the word hack used to not have as much baggage. As it now does. So I use that term. Uh effectively never these days, uh because it's it's just established. Such a we're taking on such a

Uh kind of a nasty Mm negative. Overtone. I'll tell a story. I think this illustrates how I'm reorient reorienting Quite.

Easily and that is I was spending time. With an incredible I wanna say psychiatrist. He's also I wanna say an ordained minister. I may be getting some of the details wrong here. Maybe it's a masters of divinity, I don't know. Named Bill Richards. And Bill Richards is well known also for being one of the most experienced

Let's call it guides. Or facilitators above ground in the psychedelic world. So he's facilitated hundreds of sessions along with Uh a woman named Mary Cosimano, who's uh who's equally impressive in so many ways and and just an incredible human being.

And I spent time with Bill. He's supervised years and years of sessions, both pre prohibition meaning Pre the Controlled Substances Act, and Post.

So he's done all sorts of trainings all over the world. And There were two things that stood out from that conversation immediately. Number one, I asked him what books he could recommend for learning more about the process of guiding the protocols they use, that and he said, Well So you know the problem with books, and I was like

What's the problem with books? And he said, Too many words. It kinda gives you an idea of his personality. And then the second thing he said was uh related to doing the work. Because I said, I'm not afraid to do the work. And he said, Well You know what's so tricky about doing the work, then I and I I asked him.

what it was that was so tricky and he said, Well There's a very thin line between doing the work and just picking on yourself. Uh so I think that You know, self improvement and

how much it affects you positively or negatively. For me personally, depends a lot on the motivation behind it, right? Like are you running away from something, or are you running towards something? Are you finding problems with yourself or problems in your life just because you've been rewarded throughout your life as a problem solver? I think that's true for me. It's true for a lot of people. You're just good at solving problems, so you get really good at finding problems. Uh, or are you doing it because there's some joy in doing it?

Right. So for instance, right now I'm Trying to pick up a couple of different games. Yeah, like board games. Chess, there are a number of things.

And I find those really fun. So I'm improving my thinking and so on. looking at a game of complete information like chess and learning about classical games and all this stuff. Legall's mate, I think is one that I learned yesterday, which is just gorgeous with Two nights and I'm a novice, but I'm having so much fun doing it.

Versus let's just say A contrast with that would be a therapy session that I had. Yesterday where we got into all this childhood stuff and revisited a bunch of trauma. And I came out of the session feeling much worse than when I went into it. Mm.

And uh it it occurred to me that I think that We can feel like we're doing a good thing sometimes when we're Suffering. And grinding. But that does not by default mean that we're

Doing something worthwhile or improving. And so After that session, I I sort of committed to myself not to like dredge up All of the pain from the past. in the name of doing the work, just because I can.

Mm. So I feel like I have a very good relationship. Two hacks and all that stuff now, it doesn't cause me stress. And in fact it never really has.

But I think For a very long time. I looked for problems to solve because I was good at solving problems. And not all of those problems were worthwhile. And many of those problems were just masochistic. If that makes any sense. It does. How do you apply this though to actual products? Like, for example, you know, you do the Five Bullet Friday really famous newsletter.

You finding all kinds of stuff. I imagine people are uh they just send you free stuff. Like if if you have any kind of following that's like very common on the internet, people want to try and send you things to check out. Like how do you not just accumulate a bunch of crap? Like I I find that Every little object you own is sub some type of subconscious like burden. You know, it's just like just storing it. It's just psychic drag. It's like imagine dragging all that shit around behind you in like a

A net. So what do you what do you do? What do you do there? Cause you must see so and get so much stuff. Like how do you clear that out? How do you not Try out the latest product. Yeah, number one is I really Don't encourage people to

Send things to me. I mean you know this because For better or for worse, you've you've turned into my unpaid Executive assistants. So you will try to go through you. And I'm just like nah, I'm good. I'm good for now.

And uh what I'll very often do, number one, I have policies. So I try to make one decision that removes a thousand decisions, right? So Even in two thousand nine I was getting thirty to forty books sent to me by publishers or authors per week. That's that's impossible.

Right, you can't even begin to Read those, let alone have your own life with your own priorities. If you bend to that type of incoming. So I initially just said no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And they're all but even saying no was exhausting. And took a lot of time when you start to have not thirty, forty a week, but several hundred a week.

And uh I then posted, for instance, a blog post, which is a general policy of not reading any new books in twenty twenty, meaning

any books published in twenty twenty. I've extended that to twenty twenty one. I'm not reading any books published in twenty twenty one. So when someone asks me Or ask someone on my team, they can say uh Sorry. Yeah. Tim's just not doing that. Check out Tim.blog forward slash new books. Depersonalized.

Yeah, it depersonalizes it. So it makes it easier To say no and it makes it easier for other people to receive no. The other thing is like if someone's like, hey, let me send you blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, free product, free. Fill in the blank. The first thing you gotta remember is like I remember somebody said once And I can't remember the attribution, but like free sex is the most expensive sex you'll ever have, right? That's true for free books.

That's true for free Product. It's not free. There's gonna be if you have an audience, there's gonna be a lot follow up and sometimes it's like, Oh my God, ten years later, I've had seventy three emails from this person. Don't open that door. So if someone says

Hey, I'd love for you to try X. If it's a really close friend and I know they're putting their like reputation on the line and putting some skin in the game, right? They're risking something, then maybe. But Uh very rarely. If it's a book or something else, I'm like, you know what, I'll buy it myself.

So how do you around the purchasing side of it, like how do you make a decision to actually buy something? Like how do you prevent yourself from overspending on items? Like Yeah, are is there anything that you use to to be more minimal? Well, I know you've you've had this snooze function, right? Where you won't allow yourself to make the three AM Amazon purchase. You have to hit snooze for twenty four hours. Yeah. So this brings up Questions related to

some level of what people might consider success, right? So you end up in situations and this is a very rarefied situation. So I want to acknowledge that up front. Like you and I are in very fortunate positions. But let's say I get sent a bunch of shit. Somehow it gets sent to me. And it's not useful to me. I'm not interested in it, but it could be very useful to someone else. Uh let's take an easy example.

Uh someone sends me a bunch of shwag, right? Like sweatshirts and hats and so on. It's like I have more I have enough clothing to last me forever. I don't need any more t shirts. None of it. The cheapest thing for me to do Is to throw that out. Right, to literally throw it in the trash.

Okay. Then there are karmically better things to do, like taking it to goodwill, which is what I usually do. And then I'm paying an assistant. twenty, thirty, forty dollars an hour to do that.

Right. I could return something. This is another consideration, right? Like am I actually going to return something if I don't want it? The answer is likely no.

Yeah. So I I really try to measure twice and cut once. In those cases. And uh I think I am disinclined to buy too many things right now. Although if you looked at my Amazon order history

That might sound ridiculous. But Compared to say even a few years ago, I buy far fewer things because the The for me, the visual punishment of having a disordered

Kitchen table of having a disordered House. Is so irritating. Uh I'm very visually sensitive. I'm kinda m like monk from the T V show. in that way.

I dislike that so much, and I dislike waste so much. This is particularly true of food. I'm very sensitive to food waste. That It's sort of a Self correcting.

System. In that way. Yeah, I become much more sensitive to Flutter. In the last few years.

Yeah. That makes sense. All right, let's move on to the next question. Is there any advice you used given to you or that you have given in the past.

That wasn't the best. Not trying to be a troublemaker. I'm just wondering how high performers No wind of course correct. E. G abandon faulty notions. That's a very good that's a v yeah, it does make sense. That's a very good and it's a very important question.

Right, because you always get advice from people who have done well or you see advice from people who've done well and There's a survivorship bias. Right. It's like The Warren Buffett.

Parable of sorts. Maybe it's not a parable, maybe it's a Metaphor. I always mix up metaphor and analogy in any case. Maybe it's a simile. Uh I can never keep those straight, but he talks about if you take like ten thousand orangutans and they're flipping quarters, like eventually you're gonna end up with one orangutan who has like flipped heads. a hundred times. And then that orangutan is gonna write books about how to flip quarters and beat the stock market and like so there's so much chance involved and there's such a survivorship bias.

Meaning You only see the advertisements for the mutual funds that survive in a magazine like Barons or whatever. It's important to ask that question. And I'm I'm saying all of that to buy myself some time, uh because I know those must exist.

I'll give one. I had an incredible aversion to any type of investment in publicly traded equities. In stocks. Until just a few years ago. You know this. You've watched this. Yeah. Were you telling people not to invest in stocks, or was this something someone told you?

So was it advice that you gave or advice that you received? It was advice it was advice that I received From a few people I respect who were very uncomfortable in investing in publicly traded equities because they felt like they could not directly impact the value of those companies. And These were startup investors.

And that made a lot of sense to me at the time. And uh that logic still makes sense. Right, like what am I gonna do to increase the the market cap and the the price per share of Tesla, right? Like very, very little. I mean, I suppose my audience is large enough that maybe for a day I could like register a blip, maybe, but

Yeah. Really not much. And My thinking has become more nuanced, right? Because the argument that I can't have a substantial impact on the price per share, therefore I shouldn't

invest is kind of two parts, right? So the assumption that I can't have a substantial impact on price per share, that's valid. But does that therefore lead to the conclusion I should not invest? I think there are other considerations. So Thinking about timeline. Right. So if I'm trying to invest in a company over six months I have zero confidence.

uh or very little confidence. Unless there's a a huge drop for some reason that I think is unwarranted. But if it's over a two, three year time horizon. And I don't feel any pressure to trade. then I become much more

comfortable investing in a hand Excuse me, a handful. Got the wine burps already after one class. I feel much more comfortable investing in a handful of companies that I feel are kind of inevitable, unless they're grossly mismanaged, like from a tech trend perspective, they're kind of inevitably going to do decently well over two to three year period. So how how did you know when to course correct though? That th that was a actually int really interesting part of the guy's question is like as a high performer, like You know It's easy to get really kind of into someone's advice, especially if it comes from someone that's like super vetted and you really believe in like when did you decide like this is bad advice?

I need to change this. Yeah. You're good at this. You should interview people. So I I think it was forced upon me In a way. by covid in this particular instance because I was sitting in almost

Uh well, I shouldn't say entirely cash, but largely in cash, like Let's call it f just for the sake of argument, fifty percent cash. Yeah, it was so dumb. Well. Maybe. Well, I mean the when you're in all cash you're losing uh by just by inflation, you're losing money. No, well we could debate we we could fight over this one for a long time.

I slept well at night. For several. Years. Because I had A bet of cash and

I don't think that should be underestimated. I don't think a good investment is a good investment if it has Really high returns, but you're like sweating bullets with insurance. Right. And that's a very personal thing. So for me, having A lot of reserves and cash.

Help me sleep. I don't regret it. But when COVID hit. And right before Covid hit and there was the gigantic plummet. I knew there was gonna be a plummet, or I A suspected.

With high conviction there was going to be a gigantic plummet. I was not savvy with options or credit default swaps. That was just not on the menu for me. But I th I thought there were gonna be buying opportunities in many places. And so then the question was, Well I've been sitting on the sidelines. I said I would be back. even in two thousand fifteen, right? Now we we have to be aware of the sunk cost fallacy. Yeah, not the sent cost fallacy, but the confirmation bias and all these various things where it's like if I s publicly stated like when there's blood in the streets, I will be back and I will invest.

I said that in two thousand fifteen when I quote unquote retired from startup investing. But I I deeply believed it. I was like this is I don't as Tim Ferris is the person who really understands very few aspects of investing with any competence. I don't get a lot of fat pitches like this. And I was like

Where am I gonna put money? Like I have all this money that I have claimed I've been waiting to deploy. What the fuck am I gonna do with it? And I spoke with dozens of investors, not just two people I respected.

And ultimately came to believe very deeply in a few positions. Whether the Consequences severe and also extended.

of COVID on both the economy on technology on behavior were acute or Two three years long. uh companies I felt would would really benefit in either scenario. And the liquidity profile of equities. Right? Like you want to get out. You can get out.

You might get kicked in the balls from a tax perspective, et cetera, but you have liquidity. Unlike a lot of the stuff that we do, right? Like you put money in and like You are in. Like your chips are on the table for you know five to ten years. We both have examples that are way past ten years. Yeah. So that would be an example.

The example is interesting not because equities, not because the stock market, not because blah blah blah. It's the process. Right, and I was lucky to have a forcing function. Yeah. I will say here's another one.

I have really relied on dietary interventions and exercise and so on for manipulating My blood markers. Right, my blood tests. For a long time. And

If you look at my lipid profile So my Let's just say my cardiac and lipid profile. Genetically speaking, I have terrible, terrible, terrible software. For a few things.

It doesn't matter if I'm vegan. I've tried that for a period of time just to see what it did for my blood. doesn't matter if I'm fasting. I've done tons of fasting. Pure keto. Doesn't matter if I eat all meat. I've tried all these things and I've looked at the blood tests. And my Apo B count and various other things are

Terrible. They're so bad. You me both, man. It sucks. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just like look, I have my dad's had a heart attack. My uncles have had Uh strokes. and cardiac issues. This is a like we just got dealt a really shitty hand.

From a cardiac perspective. And I've never considered going on medication like a Zetamib is the one I'm considering. long term or indefinitely But after doing cardiac calcium scoring, which is zero currently, but also angiograms and all of these things that are more nuanced.

And provide more detail. I've kinda changed my tune. I think there is a point where the risk Benefit. ratio leads one to the conclusion that it makes sense, right? And this is true with also like the vaccines, right? I think the the code vaccines make overwhelming sense for a very high

percentage of the population. Yeah. So that would uh those be two examples. Yeah, that's great. Awesome.

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dot com slash Tim. All right, another question. I'll let you try and guess who this one is from. Ends with Aka. When was the last time When was the last time a blood or urine sample was stored in your fridge?

Hm. That's a good one. Uh 'Cause there was a time when you open up your fridge and it's like a six pack of beer, there's just urine everywhere. Like there's Yeah, there's urine, blood. Stoples were the best with the biohazard.

Marker on it. Yeah, you have to be very careful in the Ferris household. You also you all you also really don't want to take any supplements until you confirm that the label corresponds to what is actually in The bottom. Yeah. I remember I went to your bathroom. I was in your house. I went to the bathroom one time And like I don't know, you had the cupboard or some shit.

And I look up and it's like it's like a Freaking Walgreens, dude. Like you had Thousands of supplements. I was like, how does he take all this stuff? I mean I guess you just were accumulating over time. Yeah, it's been accumulated over time. I I also have dramatically reduced the number of supplements that I take, but

Alright, so as far as blood Blood and Urine samples go. I haven't stored any of that. in the refrigerator for a long time. Um now

doesn't mean that I haven't taken sample. So the last time I took Let's see, blood and urine samples, I mean within the last two weeks. Or three weeks within the last three weeks. But I you I have realized during Covid that there is such a thing called mobile phlebotomy. So you can rather than going into Quest

or one of these labs to have a draw performed or into your doctor's office, there are in fact services or people who provide Mobile blood draws. So you can set an appointment, you could even meet them outside and literally It's like you wake up. You probably do not eat breakfast, but you wake up

You're fasting. And uh you have a blood draw within Five to ten minutes. They're actually not that expensive either. I looked into I had one uh happen here in in Oregon and it was like fifty bucks to have it done. And it's fantastic. Like what what a especially during Covet, dude. You don't want to be around at like fifteen other people in a room. Yeah.

It's amazing. I have have found it to be a godsend and really Really convenient. A mobile phlebotomist for people who are wondering how that's spelled. Phlebotomist is PH. PHL phlebotomist with a bunch of E's and O's and other wheel of fortune ingredients. All right.

Uh, I will say though that he people wanted us to get a lot of the comments was they get personal, like get into it. I I will we'll just tell one other little story. When I when I was leaving your house that one time, I remember this is a long time ago, it's like a decade ago or something. You you're like you're like okay, like most friends they say like goodbye, like, you know, give you a hug or whatever, fist bump, whatever. You like hand me like you're like, all right, dude, like have a good one, like and you hand me like a a a bottle of beef liver pills. Do you remember this? I'm like Oh, those are great. I'm like, Okay, cool, friend. Thanks for the beef liver. You didn't even tell me what to do with them. It's like hey, take some beef liver on your way out. Yeah, those were that's desiccated beef liver.

Uh from grass fed cows in Argentina. I remember that. Yeah. Those I had a friend who was uh deficient in all sorts of things. I gave him those and he took them and he was like, I feel like I'm on crack. Like I've so much energy that I cannot even begin to understand how tired I was for so long. So yes, I'm not going to do it. Offhand I don't. I don't either. It's on Amazon. I know that I ordered it on Amazon. Nice. So all right. Ca caveat emptor, beware your not all beef liver pills are created equal.

Yeah, you don't want like nasty hormone injected beef liver pills. Like don't no. Alright, so uh Going a little bit more sensitive. I wish we had like some background music that we could play while this uh kicks in. I I bet I bet we can figure out some background music. Yeah, that's like a nice we'll make it happen. Sweet. You have the resources.

How? How did you meet and fall in love with your girlfriend? Just a quick note from the editor in post-production, this is Tim, I had to cut part of this one for privacy reasons, but I love you all very much now. Back to our show. Which which is a strong hand. Like that's a good move.

And I was very interested. So texted her, we had a drink. We met up and Rest is history. That's amazing. That was that was quite a few years ago. So let me ask you a question though, uh'cause I gotta your fans are gonna want this. I have to do it. I'm I apologize, Tim. It says in the the actual question, fall in love. So when was the like like for me, you know, you talked about with when I met Daria at the bar and we talked about Zelda and she was a big Zelda fan. I was like, Oh my God, I could love this girl. Like was there something that jumped out during that first couple of dates where you're just like this girl could be

An amazing match for me. Oh, it was it y and again it's What were the traits? Like was there anything that you jumped out as like a a common movie, like something she said that was funny, like what was it that That like started to check those boxes for you. You know, it was none of that. It was none of the

data points or Things she said. Like oh we have that in common. Oh our values are aligned. It was more of a feeling. Like I felt very

at ease with her. I felt like I didn't need to have my defenses up. I felt like there were I was very confident there were no ulterior motives. That is the hugest thing for you, dude. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I just felt very comfortable and she was so playful. And funny And light.

Basically all the things I'm not most of the time. Uh And She also gave me so much energy. You know what I'm talking about. Like that's a big deal. Yeah. Right. Like there are people who drain your energy and there are people who give you energy. And there are peop some people who are maybe neutral, but

I think over time as you interact with more people, as you get older, certainly as you develop an audience of any type, you become much more sensitive to that. Because you're much more exposed to it. Yeah. And Uh she just gave me so much energy.

I mean it was such a net positive for my state of being. And uh I think that drove it. And yes, we ended up having all these values in common. Yes, we ended up having lots of priorities and interests in common, but that was secondary to the feeling. That's so cool that you know, one of the things that You know, you know I've talked about privately a lot that I think is worth mentioning. You can always cut it out, like you do.

Uh by the way, just so people know, you've cut out some shit out of previous podcasts. I g don't cut this out. I want to tell people there are no for some very good le legal reasons in some cases. But yes, continue. So I was just gonna say that I love that she brings down brought the anxiety level down for you because one of the things that that I know is is tough for for almost probably anybody that has some some fame and and fortune as you have

It's like There are so many people that would date you. You know, because of You're quote unquote Tim Ferris. And like There's there's money and fame that goes along with that, right? So you could go to LA and you there's any number of people I'm sure that you could date because of those reasons.

And because of that, I know you've had a pretty big wall. Like you put up a wall. To protect yourself.'Cause that's not what you want. You want someone long term. You don't want just like some rando And it's cool that she no, it's cool that she brought that down, though. Like that's a huge thing for you to find. I'm I'm happy about that. Yeah, I'm happy about it too. Thrilled about it.

It's um It's fucking weird. You know, having uh uh you know, meeting people who Let's just say eight times out of ten have Googled your name.

Beforehand. That's fucking weird. Yeah. It's really, really strange and you have to be very careful because Let's not kid ourselves. Like there are a lot of sharks out there.

Yeah. Um It's been really nice. And her parents are amazing. I've spent a lot of time with her parents and She's very down to earth. And by down to earth, I say that in the most complimentary way possible. Right. By down to earth like

Uh it makes me think of uh I think his name is Donald Newth, K N U T H, but at some point He disavowed email. I think it was at IBM. I might be making that up. And he said, Email is great for keeping on top of things. He's like, but I don't want to keep on top of things.

I want to get to the bottom of things. I'm paraphrasing here. But people who are down to earth from my perspective Or like Getting to the bottom of things. aware of like the tectonic plate level.

of things moving and their awareness is much more Ground. I use that word again. In What I would consider A true reality, then

a lot of the people who are higher up in the stack, right? Of abstraction. So there's a computer science analogy here, but I won't belabor that'cause I'll just embarrass myself. The point being I felt like she really had her feet on the ground and was Paying attention to the important things. And she had an awareness, including a self awareness, perhaps. Principle.

Among all of those. that led me to feel very comfortable. Right, but when people are surfing the chop When they're on the surface and it's like Whatever's trending on Twitter is directing their attention for hours a day.

Even if they're On some level at their core. really good people, it makes them a liability. Does that make sense? Because they're so easily swayed.

Two One channel or direction or meme or hashtag or movement or crisis. Like that's a very unpredictable person. I was on Q. That was good. I like that. She's the phone's ringing. I don't know why oh he called me twice, sorry.

You get pushed through. Keep going. No problem. Who was that? Was that your Bail Bonds? This is Tony Tony Conrad just freaking calling multiple times. Fucking Tony Condo. Ruin ruin the podcast. God damn it.

Tony's a good friend. So I feel free to give him shit. If you guys actually want to, just as a side note. research a really good Early stage. Investor.

Who's a good dude and really likes his coffee and he will tell you about Blue Bottle, so be prepared. You shock out. Twenty Conrad. He's good guy. Also partner at your firm. So he's a he's a colleague, a co worker. He's done some good deals. He's got a great eye. Um cool. So uh let's move on to the next question.

Name a mistake you made in one of your books that you wish you could take back. Fuck There has to be something. Don't say there is Oh, there's gotta be something. I mean there are probably hundreds of them. Uh My books are fucking long. I mean, you have so many opportunities. For our body, there had to be something like the cons consumption of horse urine or there was something in there that would you have to.

I mean there was one mistake that I pulled out. So in the first edition of the Four Hour Body, there's a whole chapter on extended breath holds. And I realized that's just too dangerous. People don't understand the safety precautions you need to take for breath holds. And it was yanked. So that's actually make it depressed? Yeah, it made it depressed for one printing. That was a a David Blaine chapter talking about how he trained me to Hold my breath for like five minutes and

I realize that You just have to assume that ninety percent of the people out there aren't gonna read any of the safety cautionary tales, right? They're not gonna read the caveats, they're not gonna read The preamble, they're gonna skip straight to the two, and it's it's it's very dangerous. So that was one. How about the science? Cause the science changes so fast. Is there anything you look back on and you're like, Oh gosh, that's just not accurate anymore? Well I will say there was a a weight loss stack of supplements called PAG, nickname Pag.

Which was polycosinol. I'm probably mispronouncing that, but I've only read it, never heard it said, in fact. Alpha lipoic acid. Garlic extract like Alison. And uh green tea extract. preferably decaffeinated.

And of that stack the most suspect. or questionable of those is the first. Polycoastinol. And there are some studies that came out of Cuba, but I'm like how much can you trust that if they're exporting sugar cane and blah blah blah blah blah. So I would say If I were to put anything on the chopping block, it would probably be polycosinol.

Mm. Really The evidence for that From an NF One perspective was my own personal experience. There seemed to be some effect on cholesterol or lipid metabolism with polyclosinol.

That increased Fat loss. above and beyond that, which I was able to achieve with A G G But that is not doubly blinded, that is not randomized, that is not placebo controlled. So But the ALA is in there for fat loss, right?

Uh yeah. So yeah, alpha li poke acid is insulinomimetic. As I understand it, it imitates uh and produces some analogous Affect to insulin.

to a lesser degree. So Alphalipoic acid is interesting. If you overconsume it, it can cause all sorts of issues, which is true of a lot of things. Like you overconsume zinc, it can inhibit copper absorption. Like you have to be very careful with supplements. Which is part of the reason why I have really reduced the number of supplements that I consume. Well this is still this is a great segue to that that question actually is like what what do you consume these days in terms of supplements? Not much. I take zinc occasionally.

I do find it to help sleep. I do find it to help lucid dream induction. uh which we've talked about before. Uh I find zinc interesting also from an immune perspective, but if you overtake it or you take it too consistently, it can cause all sorts of issues. Uh I take Right now.

B twelve and L methylfolate. Jaros specifically, that is your homocysteine levels, or is that that why? Yeah, yeah, related to homocysteine. So that is dependent on my personal Blofile. So that doesn't mean everyone listening to this should take that. Right.

And I also am taking right now Sysus Quadrangularis. Which Kind of has a funny tie in to us actually. And

Also methylcepol methane. or MSM. I'm taking both of those because I'm nursing a wrist injury. And uh I found them to be very helpful with Joint. injuries or a connective tissue, ligament, tendon issues. So cisus quadrangularis is what I took

On during our trip to China, I took alpha lipoc acid And Sissus. S I S S U S quadrangularis, you'll figure it out.

I took those two together before every meal'cause we were eating Pounds of fucking rice every day. And I would be doing workouts in my like Skivy is With my backpack, you remember that? Once you see Tim Farris in his underwear doing air squats in front of your bed, like you cannot unsee that shit.

And you said something to the effect of like we were doing your fucking underwear might be. And then there was also like We're just getting fatter and fatter and you're getting more and more rich is going on. That was the most confusing part because we were like a weekend in the trip and and Glenn and I are just fat as shit from all that that the rice and you're you're like six packs are popping out. It was crazy. Yeah. So I'm taking that stuff again. But not for the fat loss for the uh the the

the potential joint assistance. Wrists are a huge pain in the ass. I I I jacked my wrist really badly. And I wanna get back into handstand. practice. Uh so I'm eager to get it figured out. All right. Oh actually leading I want to stay on that for one more quick topic. Um uh someone was asking how is your body these days? You talked about your wrist, but These are three questions real quick. Do you still practice for our body and what is your approach to longevity? So is there any practices that you're doing now on the longevity side, kind of transitioning out out of the

I just put need to put mass on, but more on the Wanna live longer. Yeah. I I would say those are probably inversely proportionate. Right. Right. The more you try to put masks on, the the shorter you're probably making your life. If you're doing it over an extended period of time, at least. But

Uh I would say body, uh I'm not in great shape right now. I've had a bunch of injuries. Which just goes to show like it's I I think it's better to have a few extra percentage points of body fat and more strength. than to be lean and sacrifice strength. I think right now I've sacrificed strength. For a bunch of reasons. I'm in the jungle. I'm eating pretty poorly.

Uh and not getting much in terms of resistance training. Yeah. And uh Uh so so I would say body overall right now is pretty achy.

And I'll fix that. I have high degree of confidence that I can fix it, so I'm not worried about it. Which leads to the four hour body piece. I still follow a surprising amount of what was in the four-hour body. If anything, the vast majority of the for our body That was viewed very skeptically. was received very poorly.

Has a crude and incredible amount of scientific support. in the last ten years,'cause that was published in two thousand ten. So I'm I am very proud of the four hour body. Like that was kind of the tip of the spear. with a bunch of areas that has only received more support in the last ten years. So I'm I'm very happy with that. And

I would say The general tenets. Still hold. For sure. So the from From the perspective of slow cadence weightlifting, a la Occam's protocol.

I probably wouldn't be eating the same food because I'm not trying to gain mass. But using that type of slow cadence or super slow protocol. to add muscle mass while minimizing injury potential. Absolutely, I'll be doing a bunch of that. And uh then there's a bunch of stuff from Tools of Titans. So let's not forget that Tools of Titans was basically my update to

for our work week, for our body, and for our chef simultaneously. There's a bunch of stuff in Tools of Titans. related to say Glut Media's training. related to gymnastics. strength training and so on.

acro yoga that uh I view as a really important component of what I do these days for Physical longevity. Yeah. Meaning Like how old you feel, I think is how old your joints feel very often. And aside from that though, like with the longevity stuff, like am I using Metformin, no. M I using Rapamycin.

No. Would I consider it? Maybe. At some point. But the most likely thing to kill me is heart disease. So really

I can focus on so called longevity drugs. But for me personally, those longevity drugs might take the form of something like an Azetamib. Probably not a statin due to the fact that I am a hyper absorber of cholesterol, not necessarily a hyperproducer. Um, so you need to get really deliberate and uh surgical about how you approach medication and none of this is medical advice should not be construed as medical advice, uh since who the fuck am I?

But So talk to your GP, but I think the obsession this is gonna upset some people. The obsession over longevity is is is often very misplaced. Like I look I I looked at one point at the average lifespans of males in my family on both the paternal and maternal lines.

And If they didn't die really, really early. Which they clearly didn't'cause they lasted long enough to procreate. But if they didn't get wiped out by like typhoid. fever in you know at age thirty five or something in the eighteen hundreds. Pretty much all of them die at eighty five.

They die around eighty five. Fucking everybody. And it doesn't matter. If it's You know? Twenty years ago, or

Three hundred years. Eighty five's a good run, dude. That's not that bad. It's not that bad. So as far as Yeah, so as far as as the as the you know, pulling straws, like I didn't get the short straw, I didn't get the shortest straw, but In the striving for immortality, I'm glad there are people who are preoccupied by it and are spending time on it. All things equal, which is never the case, by the way, but all things equal would I prefer to live to one twenty versus

Eighty five? Yeah. Why not? Sure. But Am I gonna do caloric restriction every day so my testosterone falls to the floor and like I lose all my muscle mass and I look like a fucking prisoner of war. No, I'm not gonna do that.

Yeah. Yeah, so I I I don't spend a lot of time Thinking about longevity per se or ultra long lifespan. I do spend time thinking about

what stupid mistakes I can prevent easily, or what medications or supplements or interventions I can implement easily. That will prevent me from dying. earlier than I should based on my genetic average. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean that's the whole Peter Atia thing, which I think is beautiful. Just really digs into the family history and says, What are the things you're gonna die from and let's prevent those from happening, you know? Yeah.

Yeah, totally. It's like The you know, the the focus on the fundamentals. Focus on the basics. Next question, best movie to watch on mushrooms. Ha. Oh that's a good one.

I you know, I it depends a lot on the dose. It depends a lot on the dose. Like if you're micro dosing, you can handle one type of movie. If you're on like three grams of mushrooms, just look at the wall. Just fucking chill out and look at a flow because it's gonna you know. Three three grams is actually navigable for a pretty decent percent of the population, but like Five, six grams. Just lay down. Lay down Yeah. Just lay down and listen to some really cheesy spa music and fucking relax, cause it's gonna be An interesting six hours.

But let's just say hypothetically that someone has taken six hundred milligrams Three to six hundred milligrams of Silosby mushrooms dried. I would say spirited away. Oh, arguably my favorite movie of all time. The animated movie Spirited Away will fucking blow your mind. And uh If

If that Isn't interesting. I think Soundtrack is important to pay attention to. Do not watch something, even if it's beautiful, like Baraka, if it has a weird moody soundtrack. That may not be good for you. So

I would say something my predisposition would be something animated. Like Lilo and Stitch. Or how to train your dragon. It was something like that.

If you try to get too fancy, if you're like, I'm gonna watch a moody black and white French film, you're just asking to get Fucking kicked in the nuts. Yeah, when big way it was Pink Floyd the Wall. That's but that was just not that was not mushrooms, that was weed. So I think that'd be a little too intense for Two intense mushrooms. Different. Yeah. Different. Yeah. Yeah, my

I would say Pay attention to soundtrack. When in doubt, pay attention to soundtrack. Alright, uh next question. What is something you have failed at? But haven't spoken of. People just want to know about your failures, man.

Yeah, they want all the low lights. Episode number five hundred, the low light rail. Uh let's see, something I've failed at but haven't talked about. Has there you know you did this you did the series where you went and did a bunch of episodes, you know that you hack things really quickly. And you're you're so good at like consuming books and like getting to the meat of what something is and figuring it out. There has to be something where you were just like I'm gonna figure this out and you just fucking suck at it, right? Like Well, I mean, honestly, episode one of the Tim Ferris experiment. When I did parkour, which was my insistence, I was like, We're gonna do parkour first, episode one. And I

Fuck myself up so badly. I mean I had so many injuries like elbow, wrist, knee, I tore three of my four quadriceps. These are your thigh muscles from like quadriceps four, right? I tore severely tore three of them from impact from jumping off of stuff. It was a fucking disaster, like an unmitigated disaster. And I don't think I talked to I've talked about that much. And so I insisted with In retrospect the most idiotic Reasoning ever.

That we would do parkour first. And what that meant was we had thirteen episodes to film. We were filming every fucking week without a vacation. For thirteen weeks straight. And the first week I basically became a cripple. Like I fucking ruined myself. It was so bad. And so f you know, for weeks afterwards I'm wearing like medical grid compression pants, which take like

An hour to get on. It's like if you imagine You're a three I'm not a three hundred pound guy, but just imagine you're like a three hundred pound guy. And you have like elastic gap kids. Fucking long underwear that you have to get on. It takes forever. Like it takes so long. And there are points

Uh I've definitely not talked about this where I was so fucked up after that parkour episode. And I'd be wearing these like compression pants just to function, to like hobble around like a pirate. for you know, whatever I was filming, episode two, three, four. And I would get so tired.

And they took like forty-five minutes to get off. Maybe an exaggeration, but they took fucking forever to get off. It'd be like an extra small wetsuit that you have to get off your legs. And I would be so tired that I'd be like I'd get it down to like my mid calf and I'd be like fuck it and I would just lay down on the bed like with with these with these Compression pants around my Right, my ankles or my

My shins unable to get them off and I would just sleep. I would sleep with these things around my ankles. So That's one. That comes to mind. That's a good one. There are many. Yeah, there are many. There are many, but that's that's a colorful one. It's amazing.

Uh what okay, when it happens, what type of dad do you want to be? Oh that's a big one. When it happens, what kind of dad do I want to be? You gotta leave the the space gap in here when we had the episode. Yeah. It's good. He's thinking he's thinking everybody. I'm watching.

It's like watching a dog trying to figure out a maze. Ha I Uh, you know, I I think that the first I'll go with the first two that come to mind. I just want to be really present and really engaged. And and loving, obviously. But

I I just want to really fucking pay attention. And be engaged. Because I know so many guys, including good friends of mine, who are just like, Yeah, man, I fucking missed it. Like they grew up so quickly and like you missed two years. It's like missing twenty years

So I wanna be really present. And Really. Engaged. Do you think I I I think it's Yeah, if I pay attention to that, I feel like all the tactical

Sleep training versus uh attachment versus whatever. Like I I can figure that all out. But if you don't have the prerequisite Attention and awareness and engagement than none of that. All that stuff is window dressing, I feel like it's a little bit more. Being a father.

I think about Some of the attributes that my own dad had that were amazing. And I would certainly want to continue those on. And then other little tweaks I want to do because, you know That's what we're doing. We're we're kind of m pushing things forward. What attributes would you say You did you really enjoy from your father and there are any little tweaks that y you would make

You know, I think my parents did A great job considering the circumstances that we found ourselves in. Right. I mean I think a lot like you, we didn't have very much money, you know, there's there was not budget for new bikes and Stuff like that.

We made everything go a long way. Lots of T V dinners. Uh Lots of T V daters. I was there too. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. God.

There was there was there's the good, the bad and the ugly with the T V dinners. Like those shitty brownies were so delicious. Those shitty, shitty like brownies in the middle square at the top. Those are so good. Uh and the fried chicken was good, but some of the some of the TV dinners not so great. We did a lot of dinting more beef stew in my house. That was good. I love that dinting more.

You know, and and there were all these special moments like Some of the celebratory I guess something big happened. Then we had a celebratory dinner, we'd go to Red Lobster. I remember Red Lobster. We'd have We'd have virgin daiquiries.

And like immediately get brain freeze and then eat those fried Mozzarella. Sticks. And they were so fucking good. So Yeah, like I feel like my parents did a really

Good job. On a lot of Levels. I will have the benefit of more time. Right. So

If I if I in any way say I don't have time or I feel like I don't have time I just want to plant the seed now that that is utter horseshit. Right. Like we make time for the things that matter. And I'm in a much better position than my parents were.

Uh financially did your dad work a lot? Did he travel a lot or work a lot or what was it like? I didn't travel a lot. You know, my my my mom and dad Worked. A lot. And I'm good at working.

Right. Like you and I are both good at playing certain games and it's very challenging, for me at least To sit on the sidelines or switch games. When you've spent so much time getting good at certain games. Yeah, that's part of the reason I'm in the middle of nowhere right now. Is to just create a little bit of space and

And prevent myself from overcommitting to a bunch of new projects just because I have a void or a vacuum. And I'm excited. About the

Yeah, fatherhood. About a parent. I'm I'm excited for you. I think it's gonna it's gonna be a fun fun chapter. Um long chapter. Long chapter. Yeah. The longest chapter. Especially at our age, man. I just think the thing I think about is like when our kids are twenty-one, we're gonna be so old.

It's like gonna be crazy. Yeah, we're gonna be we're gonna be really old. You and I can go to the park with walkers together. Exactly. Um, all right, next question from this is I had to say the name because this is a tweet from Huns Conduit. So some guy's using his business account to tweet at us. This guy runs conduit, which is great. Uh, Tim famously asks his guests about a message they would hypothetically plaster on a billboard. Uh, will you ask him about his current message? What would your current billboard message be? You know, I don't uh my message is still the same.

Yeah, it hasn't changed much and that is uh and I I've borrowed this from other people, but You are the average of the five people you associate with most. Yeah, that's a great way. Like whoever you spend a lot of time with, like you are going to absorb And vice versa, right? They're gonna absorb you.

So Really be aware of that. Like physically, emotionally psychologically, financially Yeah. It's so true. I've just seen it confirmed over and over and over and over again for me and for other people. Yeah, that's a great one.

I don't think you can get better than that one. That's great. Uh next question from Ryan, hair transplant question mark. Would you do a hair transplant? No. Not at this point. They have the technology has come a long way. Do not knock that right away, cause there are

There's the it looks really good. I have a couple of friends that have done it. They're not gonna be named here, but it can it can look amazing. Look. I mean here's my perspective. There is one reason for me to get hair trans. If it's by the way, if this is financial, I will pay for your hair transplant. I'm gonna say that right now. I'm serious. I'm serious. I will pay for it right now. I'll go on the record

Do I need Kev Kev? Like etched in the side, like kid and play style. Exactly. Yeah. I number one I'm very fortunate to have a reasonably

regular Dome. So I don't have a whole lot of moguls on my skull. And I don't mind being bald. I d I really don't mind it. And I think I led into it easily by starting to shave my head when I was like twelve, thirteen and wrestling. So I'm accustomed to it.

The second thing is I would get So much shit. from people forever. If I had some weave. Like I don't know if you've ever seen Hellboy, but there's that one guy who has hair implants. And it just looks like Kendall.

Uh I would get so much more shit than I could do. I would be disinclined. And then, you know, third, and I think I was saying this earlier and I cut myself off. It's like R why do guys care? I think

Ninety nine times out of a hundred, it's because they want to have They want to be more attracted to women or get laid more often by having hair. Like period. Full star. I don't care. I don't care about that. Right. Like I'm I'm very, very happy. with my girlfriend. We're planning on having a family together and

Like if If I couldn't be with someone because I didn't have hair, I don't want to be with them in the first place. Like that's your that's that's a That's a very Charitable.

Easy layup. Yellow or red flag for any guy. Oh, by the way, I guess that's You did the right thing. Like the the wrong thing is leaving like the sides on and just kinda going with the bald top. Like the power donut. Right, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, you don't I'm not look, you there are a few people who can pull that off.

Like if you're uh what's his name, Commander Picard or whatever of Star Trek. Like if if you're somebody that badass You can pull off the power donut. If you're a h like a hedge fund manager just just give zero fucks And as a master of the universe and you're just like, look, I can I can move global markets and decimate currencies with one twitch of my pinky finger.

Great. Then like keep the power donut. I do not have the confidence or the wherewithal or the skill set or the power. to make that work for me. So Well, it looks great. It's nice and shiny right now. The lights hitting in the right direction. It's beautiful. Has a healthy sheen to it, like a like a dog coat. All right. Uh moving on to the next question. Your favorite episode in why?

And and I will say that with the caveat that we we, you know, you can mention the one that you talked about that was really dear to you that you did a few episodes back. But uh I think outside of that. Yeah, I mean favorite episode is is I get this question Quite a bit.

It's it's hard to give a favorite episode because Almost all of my episodes have some personal driver behind them. So the reason I do episodes vary so widely That There is

objectively no one best. Even subjectively there is no one best. It has. Everything to do with what my goals or challenges might be at any given point in time. Uh I think Let me ask you two questions. We can uh hone this in a little bit.

Favorite fanboy episode meaning I oh my god, I can't believe I had this person on my podcast. And then I'd also love to know I I I know who it is. This is Hugh Jackman, isn't it? Am I right? Hue Hugh Jackman is super high up.

Uh that that was definitely a huge one. Uh Arnold Schwarzenegger was the first like gigantic fanboy episode. Jamie Fox. Another one. I mean, those three episodes are also killer. Like they weren't just fanboy encounters, but they were

Really strong episodes. Yeah. Really, really strong episodes. So fanboy moments, there are a ton of them. I mean, I've spoken with so many people I never thought I would ever have any interaction with Jerry Seinfeld. I mean it's a long list. It's a long, long list. But certainly Hugh Jackman is way up there. Arnold Schwarzenegger, way up there. Jamie Fox. And uh

Jerry and so many others. Those are a few. How about someone that just really surprised you where you're like, Oh, I I I should have this person on. Then you had them on, you're like, God damn, that was a good episode. There are so many. It doesn't have to be one. Yeah, I love I love the fanboy episodes, but those those are names that people automatically know. I mean they're household names, right? Uh BJ Miller, who's a hospice care physician, and I think the episode it was titled something like BJ Miller, the man who's helped a thousand plus people to die, something like that. That episode had a huge impact on me. Still does.

Then you have people like Mary Carr? Who's an author and very well known. Memoir writer. And teacher.

Who's just incredible. That episode's pretty recent. Car K A R R She was incredible. Let's see here. Honestly, I mean I have to mention again, but just like there are certain episodes like Jamie Fox or Hugh Jackman where you're like, Holy shit, I hope my equipment is working.

Exactly. It's just so fucking good. And you're like, Oh my God, if this fails, I will just have to throw myself out of window. I mean when I interviewed Elon Musk uh on my show, I was like, uh please do not fail hard drive. Like you know,'cause we're like regarding Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Totally. It's crazy. Yeah, there's so there are the there are those moments. For sure. What was it like for you to to interview Elon? It would I've never we've never talked about it. I mean he's he's a really cool guy. He was super friendly and I've met him a couple of times at various parties and stuff and he's always been really nice to me. I think he knew me from back in the Dig days when I created Dig, or you know, he was it wasn't it was clear to me that it wasn't just some like he had heard of some stuff I had created, which was nice'cause that gives you a little bit of an in and a way to have a conversation. I loved it. I thought it was a lot of fun. I mean I I tried to ask him some questions that

were just a little bit like not the ones a standard reporter would ask. And so um he had a good time with it. We talked what? We just talked about like I always like to go really, really back to his childhood and like some of the entrepreneurial kind of moments he had growing up and Some of the things he was a fan of and

Some of the comic books what he was into. Like nobody talks about that. You know, but he talks about his favorite comic books on my my show. Like stuff like that. So it was yeah, it was a it was a really it we talked about SpaceX and some of the stuff that he was doing with with Hyperloop before it was announced. Um yeah, it was it was awesome. Nice. Obviously he's quite the icon these days. It this was a couple years ago, so Um Tony Stark. Totally. In the flesh.

Um all right. Moving on to the next episode or next episode. The next question. What do you think about all the recent government UFO footage? Is it real? Well Do you believe in UFOs? I don't. I don't know if it's real.

Uh, in the sense do I know d uh I don't know if the footage is real. I've read way too much about You know, well documented programs like MK Ultra with the CIA and so I mean the like it's it's very hard to know what is propaganda and what is not. What is the MK Ultra? What is that? Oh, this is this is sort of uh the Deliberate and non consensual administration of LSD by

the CIA as a possible truth serum or destabilizing agent. And All sorts of craziness. And you know, I've also looked very closely at the Stargate program, which was utilizing remote viewers or those considered to be remote viewers or remote perception and all this craziness. So like are UFOs real? Fuck. I don't know. I will say this. That's a big question.

Uh above my pay grade. Uh I will say this though, that There are a few places on Long Island that are fairly well No.

By locals. For having what some people consider UFO sightings. And when I was a kid on Long Island, I and a whole car full of people, including like a babysitter and some other people. All saw some weird object like fly across the eyes.

in the sky, hover for a period of time, kinda bounce around and then Shoot off at speeds, it made no sense. So Was that An illusion?

Was it caused by some type of Weather pattern. Right, like the uh the lights of Martha in Texas are supposedly created by some type of phenomenon that can be explained meteorologically. Was it that? Was it

Test flights with some type of aircraft. being performed by the government, which are Unknown, unannounced. Was it Uh some type of

Aircraft from elsewhere. I mean, either way, it is an unidentified flying object. So do I believe in UFOs? Yeah, I believe in UFOs. Are they aliens? Fuck. Fucked if I know. Like I have no idea. But

I mean. I very remain open to the possibility. Yeah. All right, let's move on to the next question. This one is a little bit this one's a little bit harder. Then last. Uh have you ever tried Viagra? If so, thoughts.

Yeah. Intimate here. Yeah, this is great. Yeah, this is great. So Uh I have tried Vira. I've tried everything. I mean I've tried just about everything, uh minus heroin. Uh and uh I actually had a really scary response to a small amount of Viagra, which was I got a shooting pain, like a Axe pick in the brain. Pain.

From taking it. Which has maybe contraindicated from taking Um I I don't know if Viagra is a What is it? A phosphodiesterase inhibitor.

Yeah. But I have to be very careful with that stuff because in a in a small percentage of the population, you can have these massively Uh powerful adverse events. Uh does that apply to all of like Cialis and stuff like that, or is that just Viagra? I don't I don't know. I'm not I'm not sure.

Oh oh the Viagra I mean I well, yeah, I mean not to get too graphic here, but yeah, it was fucking fantastic. I mean that stuff Why the hell do you think it's so popular? Like Yeah, it works as advertised. It's like why do athletes use anabolic steroids?'Cause they fucking work, right? I mean, like there are certain drugs that really deliver as advertised. You just have to be aware of the possible side effects. I had a really weird experience with that stuff. That stuff is strange. Um well hold on, you can't let that hang. So what I just feel like it's well

I'm ch we're we're a couple glasses of wine in, trying to ride that fine line. So I'm gonna say this in a very PC way, the best I can at this moment in time. Don't say it in a PC way. When you take it. You know, thirty minutes later, it kicks in and you can tell by like you feel like a flushness in your face. Did you get that? That kind of like like tingly f flushness in your face. I got a flushmas in my sh in my shit. So that's so what happens next is

Things elevate. And and when they do so, it's like at the um it's like blowing a balloon balloon to like twelve when it should be at a ten. And you reach down No no no when you reach down it feels like it's another dude's thing'cause it's like it's way Bigger.

Then you You're used to, right?'Cause it's you're at a twelve the the knob has gone to a twelve. So it's it's just confusing, that's all. It but it does it does make you it does make you like a you're a dragon slayer for a couple of hours at least. Like it's it there's no You'd agree with that though, right?

Yeah, I would. It is I think Dragon Slaying on Viagra is definitely gonna have to make it into the headline of this episode. It is it is a weird thing. It is definitely a weird thing. I bought mine in Mexico of all places. This is like Yeah, you gotta be careful. Yeah, you gotta be careful. Who knows like if it was like a amplified dose or something, but yeah, uh kind of insane. Could have Clorox, who knows. Exactly. All right. Uh any other four hour books in the future. None planned.

Are you done? Are you you're done with the four hour. Yeah. I think so. That's fair. That's fair. Rest in peace for hour. The four hour thing was it was fun for me.

Remember I I used to s I used to sent you I sent you text of like the four there was a four hour laundry the laundry cleaner in uh SF and I would always I'd like walk by and take photos of four hour laundry take photos of it and send it to Tim. I guess on Van Ness or something. That's right. I remember that. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, no, I've Thank you for your service, four hour. I think uh I am

I'm done. It's retired as a jersey, framed on the wall. Nice. What a beautiful chapter. And it was a chapter. That was a good chapter. Good couple chapters. Was. Um all right. So what will you be doing at age fifty and sixty?

That was the actual question. Yeah. So just retirement. I don't know why they picked those years, but like let's just say later in life, like Give me g what does Tim Tim look like twenty, thirty years from now? Yeah, you know, retirement, I don't think that's a thing. Yeah. Uh I just

Uh I I sort of enjoy getting amongst it too much. I I can't imagine like just like sitting around doing so Sudoku all day. Watching Wheel of Fortune or something like that. I just I don't think that's gonna be me. So Fifty or sixty? I mean uh let's see. Um

It's not that far off. Fifty, you know. I'm forty three. How old are you right now? Forty three. Fucking hey, man. Forty four this morning. Seven years away. I know. It's crazy. One turning of the locusts. And we're fifty.

So Uh. Fifty. I mean let's just say I have like You know, six or seven year old kid.

That point. I will probably be in increasingly cantankerous and salty. Uh I will be increasingly Uninterested in social consensus or social media or

I mean I feel like that's you today. So so Yeah, I think it'll just be like Tim Plus. It'll be like Tim Tim Plus. Love it. Uh I think there's I think there's a good chance that I will be spending more months of the year with the family. Yeah. And surrounded by Nature.

Less time in urban environments. From an athletic perspective I would I would anticipate to still be doing things like acro yoga skiing, probably weight training at least once per week. I think that'll become more and more and more important. still I will I will be paying deep attention to and supporting psychedelic research. And um

other aspects of that type of medicine work. I I it's hard for me to envision like a huge change aside from focus on family, which I think will be a gigantic Shift. I would hope not to have to contend with any major medical emergencies or crises.

In my family, but TBD, I mean sixty, if I'm sixty You know, that could be at the point. Where my parents water both pass, which will be a huge transition. I don't know how that'll affect me. It's impossible to predict. For me. I just I just don't know. I don't even have a point of reference.

Yeah, you know. Let's move on to the next question. We got a couple more left and then we can wrap things up. Uh and I I do have some extra bonus ones if you want to keep going, but um bonus do it. I'm also gonna do it. Let's do the last Saka or a quick Saka one. Uh What what's your quote unquote holy shit today sucked.

Drink or drug of choice. Saka. Ha ha ha Hm.

That's a great one. Uh huh. Well It depends on at what time of the day I determine that the day is already six PM. So for instance if it's Well, hold on.

So If if it if I wake up and I'm just getting fucking haymakers for like the first two hours of the day and I'm like, wow, like today is already second donkey dick. This is terrible. Then uh we I might just fucking call it and have a day of mushrooms and walk through the forest and just think I'm done. Tap. I am complete. Uh so that that's one. I would say otherwise The one that is ill advised for me.

is drinking copious amounts of caffeine, right? Having Just like four or five, six cups of coffee, which like on the way up On the way up feel so good and you get so manic and like you forget all your worries. And then the coin flips and you just feel like an anxious mess.

on the way down. So that's that's a mixed blessing for sure. I would say Chin And soda. Like a Hendrix and soda.

Or a Casa Dragones like a tequila and soda. Not like Dusk. So these days like a five thirty kind of happy hour, like, you know what? I'm not gonna try to like squeak this out and

Grind for another Hour, hour and a half, like Nope. Four thirty.

Five. If it's really brutal, if you're just like Why? Like if I if if if I'm still in the game, I'm just like limping along with the ball, getting crushed by like five hundred pound linebackers, like What am I doing this for? This is pointless. Then I'd say.

Gin and soda or tequila and soda. What was the uh gin that you gifted me uh the botanist? I think you were giving those out one year for around the holidays. Was it botanist? You were Oh it could have it could have been botanist. I love gin. Gin's the best. Yeah. It's so much more it's so much more interesting than vodka, right? Like it's the the botanical's in there and it it's it's a fantastic average. I love uh I love Flein toquila. A love.

Interesting gin. And uh there's something called Sotol. S O T O L which is found in Texas. Which is also quite interesting. It's it's Uh for people who need a

Maybe a comparison Somewhere between Tequila. And Mescal. Ooh. So a little more smoky then. Yeah, but not as hard as a company called I bought

Yeah, there's exactly there's something call there's a brand I think called Desert Door, which Make some really nice Sotol. It's pretty hard to get. Uh, I also find that Quite interesting, but if you drink enough of that. To get Plastered.

You are gonna feel it for sure. The next day. Yeah. Oh, bad like hangover type. Stuff going on. It's got that smoky element, right? Same with Mescal. Yeah. I'll I mean I feel like a donkey's kicked me in the like forehead. Like a fashion. Like you're just like oh like that. Yeah. Yeah, like oh who had a campfire in my mouth. Right. That one.

So you you mentioned Dragonas, I think it's it's important not to skip over that one. Fantastic tequila. Yeah. It and also Fantastically expensive to kill. They actually make a less expensive version now, a couple of them.

Which Oh, nice. Yeah. Casa Dragones, the the house of the dragon makes some really nice stuff. And I was introduced to that. Yeah. Pretty funny story. So I I was first exposed to that. Am I making you seasick with this camera? I'm going out of focus. I know. It's like zooming in and out. I'm like if I drank that much, like you just keep going.

Yeah. Right, it's like the cinematographer like imitation of being drunk. Oh my God, it's making me see sick just looking at my own my own image going and out of focus, but In any case. Uh, Casa Dragona is I I was first exposed to

when I spent time with a friend of mine who's a former Navy SEO and he and a bunch of guys were doing Weapons training. And uh shooting range practice with You know, all sorts like AR platform, handgun, you know, side arm, you name it, like all sorts of stuff. And their ritual.

was to then go back to the house, disassemble all the guns And clean all the guns while they're all sipping Casa Dragones. Oh my God. Well you mean disassemble like all the way down to bare metal or like what are you talking about? Just cle just clean them. Yeah. Clean cleaning them, but uh in some cases you know, disassembling the the handguns and so on. Uh And they're they're doing this very safely, but we were just like sitting around with a bunch of like hyper masculine dudes.

Who are like real professionals. I don't know what I'm doing. But like cleaning guns. Drinking t sipping tequila, right? Like no mixes. No cocktails, just drinking, sip and tequila. And like

It was amazing. It was a great experience and uh really great group of guys. And I had that, and I had always had the association with tequila that it gave you a nasty hangover. And I drank so much of this. Tequila. Woke up the next day and I felt like a million bucks. I was like, How is that even possible? So Did you read about it? Do you know what the deal is? It's been twelve it filtered twelve times. Dragoners.

Got it. Well there you go. No, it's like a super ultra filtered. It's like the cleanest of the clean. Like it's it That's why it's so expensive. It's fantastic. Yeah. So if you feel like getting a getting a nice gift for somebody or for yourself. Yeah.

That's one option. All right, two more questions. Uh, does anything make you feel old or does anything make you feel young? What makes me feel old. Would be aching joints. Yeah so elbow that I've had elbow surgery on, the wrist that I've jacked up, I injured my lower back recently in a stupid accident.

Uh joint pain. Yeah. Makes me feel old. Same dude. Sucks. For sure. Like muscular pain I could deal with, but like joint pain makes me feel old. Makes me feel young Riding bicycles and riding my girlfriend.

Those two? Jesus. Oh, it'll make it. It'll make it. Oh it was great. We'll see. We'll see if it makes it. Th those two those two things keep me young. All right. Uh this is the uh this is the last question. And it's a it's more serious when I wanted to end with this one.

Uh,'cause I I do want you to take it seriously. You know, we don't know how much time we have left, and I'm curious when you die. What do you ultimately Hm.

Four hour chef or Yeah. Ha. The stupid uh meme videos that I text Kevin twice a week.

Let me think about that. You know I don't think any of us are remembered for that long. I I think that

Kind of overfocusing on legacy. Can warp and contort a lot of thinking about Lifens. What you pursue. Right. I I think it can

lead you to pursue things for prestige. Uh and I think uh Yeah, prestige approval. Guilt, shame are all really bad reasons for doing things. Oftentimes. And uh

You know As we were talking earlier about parenting and what kind of father I want to be and I was talking about awareness. And engagement being these prerequisites for other things. Like you can try the tactic stuff. But if you lack that

base level, that foundation the rest of it doesn't really matter. I think that In the last ten years especially five years especially, last five months in particular.

I've realized that without hope the rest of it just doesn't really matter. Right. So like you can give someone the prescription. The how to You should do this, you should do that, but without some level of hope. And uh and hope to me is slightly has a slightly different feeling.

to it than optimism. I think optimism can be a part of hope, but that hope is broader. Without uh without without some element of hope, a lot of that other stuff just doesn't matter and get w gets washed away. So I would like to be Yeah, I used to say When people ask me, like, what would you want to be remembered for? Like what on your gravestone? I was like, Well as a

as a sort of creator of master. Students. who are better than himself, right? That was an answer that I had. And I think now it would be as a purveyor and Provider of hope.

Like someone who's providing hope to people who feel hopeless. And not in a misleading, not in a Polly Anna-ish, not in a naive way. Like I'm providing hope because I am A test subject, right? Like I'm a guinea pig.

I am someone who's suffered from severe, extended, repeated bouts of depression, who is on the front lines trying to encourage the testing and research of things like psilocybin and others that show incredible promise for these so called intractable, untreatable psychiatric conditions, whether that's Depression.

Or MDMA assisted psychotherapy for complex treatment resistant PTSD, right? Post traumatic stress disorder or Opioid use disorder, anorexia, these things that have really found no home. from which they can be treated effectively. Uh, that that would be one example, you know, one dimension to it. So I would say as a

As a seeker As a Fellow needer. and hopefully spreader of hope. Well that's what I would want. I I gotta tell you, I I think that I

A lot of people would agree with this statement in that Everything that you've done. I mean, when I first met you was at your book launch party for the for our work week. And then later the four hour body, like that those have all been about hope. They've been about how can I improve Myself, you know, and how can I live

And do things on my own time and by my own design. And You'd live a healthier lifestyle. And then now taking it to the more philanthropic side of things and working on mental health, like This is the easy thing for you to accomplish'cause like you've already done it. Like the you're Your career has been all about hope. So

I think you inspire a lot of people, um, and for that reason. So this is this is that's great. It's a Thanks, man. No, it's it's something to look up to. Like I know you and I talk about this and we have a slightly different take on uh philanthropy in that

You know, I've done bits and pieces of it. my take and it could be the wrong one, but I'm in like the prime of my earning career and I think that I wanna like get a little bit more resources so that I can do bigger impact things long term.

But like you're definitely an inspiration for me on that front. Um, and certainly something that I wanna eventually imitate and figure out how to do is have a bigger impact in that way. So Thank you for all that you've done on that and Dude, it's been Awesome that you'd even share this space with me for episode five hundred. So thank you for that as well.

Oh thanks, Kev Kev. Yeah, it's uh You know I wanna give my uh give some some additional thanks to my girlfriend. So that I don't have my last mention of her in the same answer at the bicycle.

Which uh which is You know I when I was considering What to do. About

sharing my experiences with abuse as a kid. Uh told her about the plans for the book, the possible book, which would be years off in the future, and The possibility of then Doing a podcast maybe as a stopgap measure. Or even a replacement for doing the book because it would be sooner.

And Yeah, she just made the point that If you looked at the discrepancy between those two, let's say a podcast coming out in a few months and a book coming out four or five years later, that They're There would be and there are many people who would

die by natural causes, take their own lives via suicide, or otherwise not. Ever Have access to the book. who would benefit from the podcast. And I think that there's There's compounding of wealth and resources.

And you can make many compelling arguments for if and when to jump into the fray to try to address problems based on compound interest and so on. I would just Offer to people who are

thinking about this for themselves that There's certain problems that compound also. And uh there are certain problems. certain subsets of populations and so on who Or

more easily reached. more easily addressed, more easily helped. now than they will be in a year or two years because the problems compound at a faster rate than your capital. Uh So

You know, that that's that's that's one perspective that I would offer. Not to say that everybody should immediately jump into the fray and use as much as they can afford. to affect change in the world, I don't think that's true for everyone. I think that's absolutely not the case for everyone, but for me At least with some of these mental health conditions and having the ability to set precedent, right? To create the first center in the world dedicated to psychedelic research to create the first center

in the US dedicated to psychedelic research and consciousness research. offered me a rare window and opportunity to tip the first domino in a way that I knew would then trigger and unlock all sorts of other developments, right? So I was able to put in, say, a a million dollars with the expectation that it would generate 10 or 100 million dollars in impact.

So I do think that You gotta pick your time. You gotta pick your target. You really want to be surgical with this stuff and very thoughtful. And There are sometimes, just like with startups.

Right. There are some times when you're like, Oh damn, there's that one window. Yeah. That door opens a crack. And that's your shot. Yeah. Like you have a real opportunity to make an impact. And for me, I d I just felt that way. In the last few years. Yeah. Uh, but I'm excited to

I'm excited to see what you do too, man. Yeah, it makes it makes a lot of sense if you think about it because there was um this little tipping point that happened where All of a sudden there was a window to to create some research around psychedelic use, you know, that 'Cause uh if the government had totally locked this thing down, like let's say we were in some country that was just clamped down on both the federal and state level. It would be probably like pissing away money at that point, right? Because they wouldn't you wouldn't even be able to fund research. But You had you found a window, the momentum was going in the right direction.

And now, you know, we're seeing benefits from that in terms of it being legalized like in Oregon and other places where this could be real therapies going in into people in the next year or so, you know, which is really cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's moved a lot faster than I ever could have hoped. And uh there's there are gonna be

Challenges. There are gonna be setbacks. There are gonna be messes. There are gonna be uh Players. in the arena with less than pure motives, which is to be expected. And um That's all that's all part of the game.

So Yeah. Well the last the last thing I wanna say is um and I'd be curious to know how you were able to do this in yourself is that One of the things that I I want to push more forward, especially w given that I have a couple daughters, and I think that more men should be vulnerable. People. Like able to talk about like you've talked about

Suicide and depression and child abuse and like all these really tough sensitive topics and You know, I've certainly talked about Couples therapy and the abuse my father gave my mom and things like that, like We need to encourage more of that. And I I just want to say thanks to you. You've helped me be more open with myself and my audience about those things. And I think

It's that g like starting that conversation. Oh, if Tim can talk about it, I can too. It's such an important thing that we all need to do. Oh thanks, Kevin. Thanks, man. It's a change. It's the truth though, dude. Like it really is. Like it's it it helps me. When I you talk about this stuff, I can talk about it. Like and I know that's the same with so many other people, so So anyway.

Thanks, brother. Cheers to you, brother. Uh Congratulations on five hundred, wishing you to five hundred more or a thousand more. We'll see. W when do you hang it up, by the way? How many you think you got left in you? I have no plans to hang it up.

Good. You know, this this gives me This is uh this is joyful for me. It's fun for me. And if it stops being fun.

It's either time to hang it up or more likely it's time for me to change something and I've just succumbed to some temptation that I need to fix, right? Like for this episode. Let's take this episode as an example. Number five hundred, right? I could have done like lessons learned over five hundred episodes and done like a monologue, right? Instead you get via question. Yeah. Which Is more fun. Right. It's more fun for me. It's more fun. It gives me more energy. It gives me more pleasure. Like this is a good time. And like you said, you don't know how much time you have left.

Nobody does. And Uh so it's like if if you're not having fun At least in my life, like Chances are it's my fault.

Yeah. Fucking fix it. You know. And If the choices you're making, your default choices are the way things are set up. Aren't working. Change it.

Experiment. Try something else. So for me The way that you know, I used to do six episodes a month with the podcast. I cut back to four. On average. And I used to handle, say, sponsorships and this, that and the other thing a certain way, and then I changed it. because it was starting to to feel like an obligation and I was starting to

procrastinate and not look forward to it. So You know, this is I think a game of iteration and what what might give me joy today might not give me joy tomorrow and Things change, they evolve over time, but I love doing the podcast, so

Wouldn't surprise me if I do another five hundred, another thousand, and then Take a look and reassess. Yeah, I think that really it doesn't really matter where you are in life because I remember You know, when I was not Like d being a V C and doing these things.

I left Olive Garden, which had good tips. And unlimited breadsticks. To work at computer city. For less pay. But you know what? I was a hell of a lot happier when I was working in computer city.

Than I wasn't all of Garden. So is it like you just gotta do it. You gotta change it up if it's not working. Switch it up. You gotta switch it up, man. So good to see you. I miss you, brother. I miss you too. We'd love to see you in person sometime soon. So T V Let's get these shots and make it happen. Seriously. Exactly right. And uh to everybody listening.

Uh I love you guys. You know, I I really So deeply appreciate everybody listening. It gives me the opportunity to play, it gives me the opportunity to push. to challenge myself also to try to do things I don't think I can do with respect to this podcast to Wrangle people I think can't be wrangled and also

Just as important to shoot the shit and talk about Viagra people like Kevin. Uh so so I really Really appreciate everyone who tunes into this podcast. And I know this has been a a loosey goosey Banter filled. episode, but this is what I wanted to do. And ultimately

The only way I'll keep doing this is if I have some fun along the way. Thanks for having me, Tim. That was awesome. Yeah, brother. I'll see you soon. Hey guys, this is Tim again. Just a few more things before you take off. Number one, this is Five Bullet Friday. Do you want to get a short email from me? Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday that provides a little morsel of fun before the weekend? And Five Bullet Friday is a very short email where I share the coolest things I've found or that I've been pondering over the week. That could include favorite new albums that I've discovered. It could include gizmos and gadgets and all sorts of weird shit that I've somehow dug up. in the uh the world of the esoteric as I do, it could include favorite articles that I've read and that I've shared with my close friends, for instance. And it's very short. It's just a little tiny bite of goodness before you head off.

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