Drunk Business Ideas That Could Make You Millions

I I got my drunk idea. Should we do some drunk ideas? Yeah, let's do it. Alright, so again to to frame this. That I had that I don't think are good.

But I still wanna say'em. So I call it drunk ideas, even though I didn't have them while I was drunk. I was stone cold sober. But that's my cover story. All right, so drunk idea number one. It's called And you gotta reac you gotta tell me. I think I did this before and by the way one gem came out of it, which was my Lucky Water brand, uh that I I do intend to create. So you know Some gems do come out of out of this. So, Ben, you're a participant in this one. I need you both to give me your your idea your reaction. What what's what should the scale be on the reaction? Is it like

You know, uh You know, s so on a scale of sober to piss drunk, or like on a scale of like you know, horrible to good idea. How do you want to rate these? We'll just do one and ten. One attack. Alright. First idea is called very long distance girlfriend. Okay, so I have this idea.

Because I realized like I'm sitting there and me and my wife we like to watch all these dating shows, right? So we watch Love is Blind, we watch The Bachelor. And you watch these shows and it's sort of like it's like the honeymoon period. And I I like I would say most people's homes are like ours. It's like The scene is this. On screen you see like two usually beautiful people.

Living some kind of fairy tale date. Um And then like one person's kind of like, you know, there's some drama, one person's being dramatic or one person's unsure and the other person's really good or whatever. And then you and then if you if you zoomed out off the TV, you'd see a couch with usually a couple sitting like six feet apart from each other'cause they're so sick of each other. Uh, you know, just like you know, in their sweats, not dressed up, with their you know, double chin, eating their popcorn and ch Cheetos and being like pointing at the screen and be like, ah, she's not even that hot or like you know oh he's you know, he's such a jerk. And it's like

judging these relationships, right? But like there's something to this of why we like it, right? We like seeing these other relationships. But I also think It's like when we do that we we do that with UFC, it'd be like Oh, we shouldn't have tapped out. Yeah, dude, he's such a pussy. He's so weak. He looks scared. Yeah. Dude, he's so scared. That's why I don't like him. It's like Yeah, it's not confident. Oh my God, there's a spider in my room. So so so yeah, there's definitely like a judgy kinda there's a fun in judging it, but I would also say There's a fun in the sort of fairy tale. Like I think everybody, when you're watching these shows, you sort of put yourself in the shoes of either the person pursuing or the person being pursued. You know, you're the you're the damsel or you're the prince, whatever it is. So the the idea behind very long distance girlfriend is as follows.

It's a service or app. think it's just a service. I think it's just a te a text message. This is a phone number you put in your address, but And we give you the perfect boyfriend or girlfriend. You're never gonna meet with this person. It's not even the intention. It's just somebody who's gonna treat you

Perfectly because they're paid to do it. And so so it's like Prostitution. It's like a pr what's a prostitute? A prostitute is somebody who's paid to love to love you, right? To make love to you. But that's a lot I don't want to cross that line. That's a lot of work. So this is like you know how Tinder made dating easier because you don't have to like go date everybody, you just sort of swipe left and right easily on your phone. It kind of gave you this like flirting hit, but you didn't have to go out, put a lot of effort. So here's what you would get if you if you sign up for very long, very long distance girlfriend.

There's there's gonna be a person that pretends to be your girlfriend. They're gonna text you, they're gonna ask how you're doing, they're gonna be emotionally there for you, they're gonna text you maybe photos of themselves, they're gonna like you say that they want you, you're gonna be like, Oh my God, I'm I'm this person wants me. They're never gonna nag you. They're never gonna uh get mad at you. They're never gonna get jealous. They're never gonna do any of the things that real human beings do when that are the downsides of relationships. Only the upside.

None of the downside. So for girls you're gonna get Prince Charming on the other side. He's gonna be complimentary. He's gonna be thoughtful. He's gonna be there for you. Uh and for for guys, you're gonna get sort of what you want as the perfect girlfriend. And we're just gonna hire call centers of Of just dudes. And they're gonna behave as your very long distance boyfriend or girlfriend. All right, gimme your gimme your ratings. I'm gonna start with Sam. I give that a ten. I I think that uh I I think that's great to be honest. I think that the surely that like if we went to adult friendfinder.com or something like that, is that what they do? What is adult friendfinder? What is that like like webcam or You're asking the wrong guy.

I don't think it's a I have no idea. Um Yeah, I mean this is brilliant. How many friends do you have who you've only met? via texting and you've like I've I've got like a bunch of friends who I've only ever texted. Yeah, exactly. I've Now most of my life is people I only text with.

Maybe I knew them before. There's a bunch of people that are like I don't know, just through Twitter or through, you know, the podcast or through friends of friends, we get in a group chat together. I know their personality, they're cool. Like that's my actual friend, even though I never met them. Or even heard their voice or talk to them like Your voice. And in fact, I have no desire to really meet them. Like I don't want to go out of my way to go like hang out with them. I'm getting all the benefits that I want out of just the text.

Yeah, so anyway, I have a lot of friends like that and I consider them to be really close friends. I I I I I can't tell you how tall they are or what their voice sounds like, but I love'em. And so because of that I'm in. What do you think, Ben? I give it a one. It sounds diabolical. It sounds zero or

A big slow roll for a ten there there's this genre of idea of Sean business idea that essentially is I went and watched an episode of Black Mirror and said, Actually, that's a good idea. And this is one of those. But that's a great idea. Where do you think they're getting their ideas? They go to the great idea pile, and then they take a great idea and they say, Okay, let's put this to a logical extreme where it actually turns bad. Like have you m remember that remember that TV show in Disney called Smart Home? Where uh the the the it's like a smart home. It's like Alexa before Alexa. Yeah. Yeah. Great idea. And

The smart home ended up being the mom and the wife. So it kinda is like what we're describing now. So I think that like Yeah, I haven't watched her. I think her is something like this. It's like a voice assistant that he kinda falls in love with. I haven't seen that. But again, it's not even about falling in love. It's just, dude, it's fun to get

Certain types of text messages. Right. It's fun to get a a funny ch text from a friend. It's fun to get something interesting texted to you. That's kinda what the hustle does. The hustle just sends me some interesting stuff every morning. The Milk Road tries to do that. Here's some interesting crypto stuff, right? Where your friend But I'm not really your friend. I'm just sending you some cool stuff. You like getting that message. But that's for the work part of our life. What about the personal side? Ben, are you telling me

You would I mean, I know what you're gonna say. You're gonna say no. But let me just put it out there anyways. You're telling me you would not wanna be getting text From A woman who's so into it and it's not cheating.

You're never gonna do anything. It's not even a real person. You're never gonna see him. Nothing like that. Especially if you're single, right? Like I'm not talking about like we're all I think we're all married men, right? So so it's not for us. This is for twenty five year old me, not Thirty. I don't know how old I am, thirty four year old me.

Yeah. I uh obviously we're not the the target demographic all of us because we're all married. Yeah. But Having said that, like even if it was just like a as a f as a a friend type thing I like I already have actual friends that I don't text back. The last thing I need is

Is another That's literally just a person to not text back. I don't need n another one of those in my life. But fair enough, fair enough. Maybe it's a bad idea. But no no no, as a as a business idea, of course it's a good idea.

Of course it's like this has money making potential. As a thing that is good for humans, you know that's that's why I gave it a one. Uh uh I'm not I'm not in the the grid humans. I just don't like I had to be the conscience here. I had that one person had to be like Sean, you know this is Okay, okay. It's good. I y you know I'm the I'm the devil, you're the angel on the shoulders, we have to be there yin and yang. That's how it works. That's good. Uh yeah, you know, if you want good things you should uh You know, go eat your vegetables, work out, you know, wake up and pray, do all the things, right? Like that's cool. Don't invest in Russian companies. Yeah, don't invest in Russian companies. Don't have the very long distance girlfriend service for nineteen ninety nine a month. Don't um you know, d don't use TikTok. Don't do any of the things that you do, probably. All right.

Next idea. It sounds related, but it's not. It's the huge beds company. You kinda alluded to this earlier. I've been thinking about the luxuries of life that I care about. We all we all know what I do. Private chef. Personal trainer at my house.

I live like a king. The one thing I don't live like a king with is my bed is only King sized. But a true king would not have a king size bed. True Kings have what's called a

Emperor size band. Have you ever heard of these? No. So athletes have these. I saw these because there's a woman who has this business. It's already a great business. There's a woman who makes beds for NBA athletes. And so Shaq has a twenty four foot bed, I believe. of like tw twenty four foot like in diameter. And um

You know, the a whole bunch of M players do this. They have twelve foot diameter beds, eighteen foot, things like that. The room it's like It looks ridiculous, but the whole family can sleep on there. and still have their space. Uh like, you know, just to get to your spot on the bed you kinda have to crawl there like a small child, just to your pillow, like'cause you there was such a long runway. And so

I've always saw these and I thought these look super comfortable. And I've decided I want a very huge bed and I realized I wouldn't know where to go buy it. So my idea is a D D C brand. Called Huge beds. Name T B D. We need a we need a better name. No no no, keep it. It's like it's like the it's like uh the company Big Ass Fans.

Yeah, it should be big ass beds. Okay. That's the name. Big ass beds. Big ass beds. For badass people. Yeah. Marketing slogan included with my drunk ideas. All right. So so big ass beds. And basically it's just a DDC brand that sells you this, right? Like these are very expensive. So these these run for like twenty f twenty thousand dollars on average, I think is like the cost of these like humongous oversized beds. And that's why athletes they're a the NBA players are already very tall, plus they got a lot of money. So it's like the sweet spot for them. And this woman who they buy it from is this one woman and she just sells it all through her Instagram, basically. It's like

Some player posts a picture of his bed, tags the woman. People go look at hers. She has like an Instagram full of huge beds people go buy from her. Um so I think that's just like a niche that somebody could go own big ass beds. And I think You know, okay, athletes is one. But we need to find a new niche.

We may need to go into a new sport. Or maybe maybe it's business nerds who are trying to optimize their sleep and it's like, you know, you make up some mumbo jumbo about this. Having a big bed is not gonna make you sleep better unless you're like eight feet tall. Have you tried it? Well maybe it's like a free range chicken. Maybe when you're not confined

by this, you know, like y maybe you have anxiety all night'cause you might fall off the bed, right? Maybe just being able to stretch out. Is nice. Ma right? Maybe maybe not being so cramped is nice. I don't know. Seems like there's some benefits. There definitely maybe is, but definitely probably isn't. I mean haven't you been in in a Cal haven't you been in a California uh king size bed before, but I have a California king size bed, yeah. You have a California king?

You have a California king and it's that big enough for you? A California King is like the same size as a king. It's just longer instead of wider. It's the same overall size, it's just longer. So it's not the same overall size, but yeah. Uh no, it's the same size, but it's like less wide, more long. Are the other ones more wide, less long? You have a California.

That's a huge bet, if you ask me. Th I think that's big. It's that not is is it just you and your wife in the bed, or do your kids stay there sometimes? My kids stay there and my dog. So it's like, you know, we got a full house in the bed. Most of the likely there's another thing that should be addressed than making a bed bigger. I would call it I would create a how about we call it uh how about we create a little kid bed company or a dog bed. Yeah, or we'll we'll call it a grip, or we can make like a dog bed business. Also a good idea. I think maybe those are the solutions to your problem instead of making a twenty by twenty, a four hundred square foot bed.

Ben, what do you got here? It seems like you might be on my side. Sam is so wrong on this. I I have a king size bed. It is a good size. Uh I don't want to be. But is good enough for you? No. I don't want to be anywhere near my wife when I sleep. I want to have to shout for her to hear me. Like there's always like

Just some little toe poking me in the middle of the night. And if you could just offer me, I never have to worry about that, A. B, you're right, Sam. Is it gonna actually give me better sleep? Probably not. Is it gonna be an amazing experience to just like crawl onto this massive piece of luxury

That is twenty feet long? Yes, it sounds like an amazing experience. And I want it. I want to feel that. And you spend all the third of your day on this bed, right? You spend an eight hours on this bed. Why not? The second that you said like a twenty foot wide bed, I just knew I wanted it. My heart knows that I want it. When you see the picture, you're like, ah, this looks like lavish as fuck. Uh Do you guys one question, do you guys sleep with a pillow in between your legs? Of course. I sleep with a maternity pillow.

Same. So I I have a body I have a body pillow. And so I like basically spoon the pillow because I need my my knees to be I I can't have my knees. That's just straight ergonomics. That's just like that's proven. That's not even like us being weird. That's us being scientists. So the reason I use my wife's pregnancy pillow is science. Do you really you use her what does she I bought two. So I so I bought hers. I bought her one.'Cause my buddy My buddy told me this. My buddy goes Congrats, you guys are pregnant, fantastic, so happy for you. Hey, get your phone out and go to this website. You're gonna buy this Swedish pillow.

It's two hundred dollars, but trust me. Best pillow ever. And I was like, Oh my God, like never been so intrigued by a sales pitch. Took out my phone, ordered it right there. I'll never forget where I was. I was in an Uber in Las Vegas when this happened. And I thought All right. And it's it's like it says like five weeks to ship. I was like, Oh my God This must be fantastic if it's like such a shitty experience. And so uh it arrives, it's amazing. My wife uses it, she's like it's good.

And I was like only good, he really built it up. Let me try it out. I try it. For a nap. So good. I order myself one. And now she never just used she never uses any of them. I use both of them, actually. And I it's fantastic. What's it called? Uh I'll have to look it up. It's uh it's like some Swedish name that I don't really know.

Yeah, I I'm a big fan of those. I I'll I'll buy one. I I just had like a really long pillow that I just kinda spoon, but maybe I should buy one of these. It is called oh here it is BB Hug Me dot com. So the two letters BB Then hug me dot com. Bug me Uh, and it's designed in Scandinavia. So not Swedish, Scandinavian.

And uh just look at it. It just looks like it's gonna be good and then it is good. It's really it's really great. Really great pillow. Alright, I'm I'm gonna buy one of these. Wow. This looks huge. Yeah, it's not that big, uh but it's like kinda like It's like got like beads inside or whatever, so it's sort of like forms to your body. It's great. Alright, I'm on board with this. I bet these guys crush it, by the way.

Yeah, I can imagine. The thing's really exp I think it's pretty expensive. It's like two hundred dollars for one pillow, which is great sight. A lot. Um all right, so here's my next drunk idea. I got two more for you. HOA Court. Okay, so do you guys have an HOA where you live? No, I'm no. You one time if I if if I remember correctly, Sean, you had an HOA just for a

Duplex, didn't you? Yeah. Yeah, me and me and the our other person we had a HOA with an HOA fee. But we both as soon as we bought the place, we were like, Yeah, we're not gonna put four hundred dollars into this Every n every day, right? Like and we both just agree we're not putting four hundred dollars a month into that. You have an HOA, Ben? Yeah, I and I kinda hate it. So

My HOA has been harassing me lately. I've been getting letters So I rent. I rent my current place. And uh we live in this neighborhood. And there's some Karen in this neighborhood that just hates me. And she's like, Oh, I don't like that you, you know, leave the trash bins out a little you know, an extra day. I don't like that you work out on the like

treat in the driveway like you no exercise. No exercise equipment is allowed. I'm like what exa are you exaggerating? Really? No, there's liter there's three complaints. There's that, there's that, and then there's another one which is Um we get like water delivered, like you know, like the kind of like a water dispenser. So you get these jugs, these five gallon jugs. And so they're like kind of like They're like the guy delivers it to our door, but he tucks it behind this pillar. So if you're looking at our house, you can't even see it.

You'd have to like walk up to our like walk halfway up our thing to go see the thing. And so somebody just keeps complaining to and our landlord's like, dude, what's going on? Is it look and he lives in another state. So he's like, What is this? Like, can you just are you like fucking up things? I'm like, No, I don't do anything wrong. Okay, the trash I do leave out a little bit. Um, but You know, besides that, it's not a big deal. Like when you're working out in the street, is it like just you and your trainer and what do you do, just throwing a medicine ball or something? No, we're doing lunges. It's like dude I ca I can lunge in the street. There's nothing. Or like we have a battle rope that will put on a you know, art but this that's my driveway, dude. I can do what I want in my driveway. Um and so

And in my neighborhood's like mostly really old. People that like don't really Do it do much. So, you know, I get it. But I'm not disruptive. Anyway, so So this HOA thing and so I first was like I was like okay, I have two choices. I can either just quietly resolve the issues, just listen, just move the trash cans in, put the battle rope inside the garage, only move it out when I want, and uh water jugs. Like I guess I could pull them inside the door. Uh kinda takes up space, but you know, no no harm done.

No, you cannot do those one it's not happening. Right. Right. This is war. And so I went to war. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna waste my time and energy. fighting this HOA. Who is this HOA after all? I demanded names. I demanded to speak to somebody. I said they can call me direct next time they have a problem. I said, here's my number. I put it out there.

I started to um I said I started to go take photos of other houses. I said I'd like to file some complaints myself. Oh, what is this children's swing in the front yard this person has? Violation. Why is this person's garbage cans outside? Violation. Uh why is this person riding their bicycle exercise equipment on the street? Violation. And so I started fighting back I started saying, Is it because I'm the only brown guy in the neighborhood? I'm just going to do it. I was I was waiting for the race thing. You had to do that. You had to I can only wonder what's so different. Because again, I see violations all around me now. And so I'm I am basic but there's no my my complaints are falling on deaf ears. And I'm wasting a bunch of time. I need HOA Court. It's a judge Judy like show. Streamed onto Netflix and or YouTube.

Where I can go present my case and it's a place For petty people to do their thing. And that's that's my pitch. It's actually a show. It's a TV show. H O A Court. Or petticourt. Petty yeah, maybe Petty Corn. Maybe Petty is the is the right way to do it. I think that's beautiful. But isn't this do HOA people not have a what's that called where um before you go to court you can hire a m um Arbitration meeting

Arbitr uh an arbitr uh arbitration. Mediation. Yeah. Uh, is there w what do you do with HOA? How do you know who wins? You can't win. That's the problem. HOA is this like you know, ambiguous force that just controls you, even though you you you know, you pay your hard earned American money to uh to to live in this place, to buy this land. To live free, but the freedom's not there. And that's why we need Petty Court.

And to put Put these petty people back in their place. Do you um Like it d do you just like reply all to an email?

Well, no, it's like they they they use these agents like cowards. There's like a there's like a random HOA e email address with like one person behind it. It's like no Who's complaining? Is the majority of the neighborhood complaining? Maybe it's a democracy. Maybe we need fifty one percent complaints for me to change the way I do things. Why does one person get to change my way of living? Right? That's it sounds a little crazy to me. So I just feel like there's no justice and then when there's no justice, I can't sleep, and that's my idea. I I I wanna dig deeper on this because I actually think that it's totally not worth your time to fight this. This is this is a fight this fight is certainly not worth my time. No, it is definitely these fights are worth our w this is what living is for. I love doing this stuff. I I love fighting with neighbors and like trying to win and like rub their face in it like a dog who pees inside. I love this. And so is there a way I don't believe that's considered the best practice anymore, by the way, for dogs. For dog training. Is there a way that you can set a trap?

And figure out who it is. Hmm. I don't know how I would do that. Um Oh, I know.

I put a unique letter. Under the doorstep of everybody in the neighborhood. I say listen. I heard about the complaint. And I understand.

In fact I'm sorry that I did what I did. Um You know, I would just love to make it up to you. What's your favorite flavor? Chocolate or vanilla. I'll send you a treat.

Because you were right and I was wrong and I just need you to know That you were so right with your HOA complaint. Um So just sho shoot me your uh hey, just text me your favorite flavor. Honeypot.

Gotcha. That's actually pretty brilliant. And you could do one of two things. You could either say, This person's a flavor, this person it's a what size T shirt you are, or you could just get a bunch of different Google numbers. And see which one. Google I say, Hey, have you guys seen this asshole who lives over here? Guy keeps putting his f he keeps doing lunges in the street, am I right? Like viol violence in our neighborhood. Um I think we should escalate this. He's not listening.

Uh I believe it was you who made the complaint, but maybe I have that wrong. If it was you, I'd like to discuss steps of how we might escalate this issue to make sure that jerk. goes down. You bring'em in.

Bring'em close. Before I put'em put'em away. I I I would love for you to do this. How many people live in the neighborhood, do you think? How an H O A.

No, it's a neighborhood. It's everybody's default in there's probably I don't know, like a hundred ho uh maybe sixty houses, a hundred houses, something like that. It's a lot of a lot of time and energy. You don't have to like Shut down one of my businesses just to do this. You don't think you know who's doing this? I have no idea.

Really'cause I know there's somebody who walks by smiling at me while I'm working out in my garage. I just work out in my garage with the gr with the door open. Just to have some air, right? Like this no big deal. I'm allowed to do that in my home gym. You can't change your behavior. You have to continue doing it. Well I've already You should buy lawn chairs and put'em in your front lawn and just hang out there without a shirt.

Consistently. I think that's what the move has to be. That's a gift to the neighborhood. Last idea. Alright, the NBA all star game just happened.

And um And every sport has this. And baseball has the home run derby. Uh, football has the Pro Bowl, NBA has the dunk contest and the all star game. Why doesn't this exist for business? Is that a thought that's ever crossed your mind? Why don't we have

The tech all star game. Why don't we have the business The business all stars. I feel like there's a there's an opportunity here to bring together The Who's Who I'm just gonna use tech for now. So bring together the who's who of tech.

Just the all stars. Honor them. Get them to compete for our entertainment. And uh just make a weekend out of it, right? Why aren't we t why are we treating this like the sport that it is? So here's here's how this might work. Tech All Star Game is basically a hackathon.

And I get Zuck and I get get Larry Page and Serge Sergey and I I go get founders of different mega companies and they're gonna perform it's gonna be live streamed on to onto YouTube and they're gonna have to build something. They get twenty four hours to build something. So you have an all star designer, you got Johnny Ive working with Mark Zuckerberg. All of a sudden. You got Brian Chesky working with, you know, uh Whoever you know. S Sundar or whatever. You you get you pair these guys up into random combinations and they're gonna have to do a hackathon, they're gonna have to build something and demo it, and somebody wins the trophy for building something cool. Cause you've seen

That like Darmesh. Loves to hack and build little projects. I remember when COVID happened, Kevin Sistram, the guy from Instagram, he built this dashboard that was measuring the viral coefficient and the spread, because he's like, Hey, these politicians are just like making statements and we have no s source of truth, no d dashboard that tells us how this thing's spreading and how it's not. per city. And that's what we need to look at. And so he built this dashboard there. And I just thought

Huh, I wonder what would happen if you unleashed These types of brains, the all stars in a in a little competition of their own, a little hackathon of their own. What do you think this idea? I think if you can if if it's if the if the idea is like an award thing, then I think that's the worst idea you've ever had. I think that's a horrible idea. If you think if it's like a hackathon, no one will ever do that. But I think it's an interesting exercise. And that and here's my question to you. If you took, let's say, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos Um

uh the Google guys and the CEO And you had him do a hackathon. Do you think any of them are actually still capable of making anything? Like making it. But but you it wouldn't be them on their own. So you'd pair them with like Every team is

Uh the all star an all star engineer, so all star technology person. An all star designer. And then an all star CEO product visionary person. No, that's bullshit. You want one on one. If it's just that like for example

Bezos can't probably build anything. He might you know he's gonna go build like a blog. If it was like you and me, it's like you guys like you gotta go make like a business in the next like week. I'm I'm very confident that just me on my own I could build something that makes money. Do you think that uh what are the Google guys? Sergey and Larry Paige Do you think that they're capable of actually making anything? Maybe, like I know Zuck can. So Zuck, when when Snapchat came out, I remember that

Uh he recognized the threat that was Snapchat so early on. and created Facebook poke. He literally wrote code into the Facebook poke, like their their competitor that they l they I think they released it in nine days or like nineteen days or something ridiculous. And he was one of the lead engineers actually writing code in the project. Now he doesn't normally do that, but that was like the story at least. Do you think he could. I think very few others could. I remember So Mike Micha Birch, who who built Bebo, he was a programmer, right? He's a programmer's programmer. He built

four or five startups that were all Interesting and successful. And we did a hack week. And I invited Michael. I was like, Michael, come hang out. Don't just be Mr. Investor, you know, far away. Like come hang with us. Live in our like we're staying in your cabin. So like just come hang with us. And he came and I was like, You wanna you wanna build something? We're all building these little like, you know, apps. And uh he's like, Well, um, don't exactly know JavaScript. Like the languages I know aren't really used anymore, and I don't really remember a lot of it, and I haven't coded in years. My machine is not even set up to do it. So uh, you know

I don't even know what I could build at this point. And so he cooked us dinner instead. And then later he got back into programming. He's like, Oh yeah, like okay, now I got my machine set up. I'm you know, I'm using Python, I'm learning the new languages instead of the old stuff. But he like ramped up over time and now he loves to code. He codes all the time. But I think when I put him on the spot when he hasn't been doing it, no, he was it was tough for him to just like go build something. Even though he's an engineer. Let me tell you something really quick. This this isn't that shocking'cause I didn't exactly own a tech company, but I made a I I owned a company that made tens of millions of dollars on the internet. When you used words like Python and JavaScript or whatever you said

I have literally no idea what those are. Yeah. Like for real. I don't know how programming works. Try to guess. What what is Python? Well, it's like a language, but I don't know like I don't know what you use it for. I don't know what it does. When people talk about like Ruby on Rails, I'm like So there's like a Java on Rails? Like how like is there like I I literally don't know what the words are. Yeah, or they'll be like Well, this is CSS and this is HTML and this is I'm like I don't know like is one of those like the outdoor sighting of the home and like like I do like an analogy to z I I still to this day I have no idea what the

They mean. This is like when I told you I d you know, I go into home improvement, they're like Okay, so is it a drywall or and I'm like It's not wet. Like wait What do you mean? Like Can you give me four or five types of walls with some photos and I can tell you which one it looks most like? Can we do like a prison lineup here and I'll point to the wall that looks most like my wall? Like w when people talk about this stuff, uh so the way that we worked at my company was I would sit with the engineer and And I would just draw on like the website. It it probably should look something like this, and I'll write the words that it should say. And once you click this button, let me draw the second thing that you should see. And I would give the I would give it to them and it would work somehow. And I and I to this day I have no idea how any of those things work.

Yeah. And who who needs to. I used to I used to be like, Oh, I wish I knew how to code. I'd be so much better if I knew how to code and I would love to learn how to code. I'm still actually I'm still like kind of at night. I'm taking this like you know Udemy course on Python or something like that. And then our buddy Sully was like He's like, Yeah, people say that and he's like I used to not he's like uh He's like s d dumbest thing ever. Who cares how to code? He's like you could pay somebody

Here, here's a guy in India, he can code. Whatever you want, you just tell him he'll do it. Can I explain knowing why. I actually totally disagree with him. I think that the the key is at least you knew how to do it. So then um and if you don't want to do it anymore, that's fine. But I actually think that when There's been times where I've talked to my developer and in my head I'm like, Well, you just gotta click this button and you see this. And they're like, Well, you don't even have to click the button, you know, like you this technology, the way it works, is you can just I'm like, that that works? That's a possibility. Like I don't even know I I wish I knew how to code so I knew what frameworks I could like work within. Because when I as someone who doesn't know how to code, I'm like How do you how did you I don't even know that's possible. Like, you know what I mean? It's like asking someone in eighteen hundred to like

Explain to them how text messages work. It's like Whoa Wa What the Hell's a phone? Let alone it you know what I mean? And that's how I feel sometimes when we're talking about coding. So I think that's true. I I actually agree and disagree with what he said. So I agree in the sense that I used to think I used to have this story in my head that if I if I knew that, then I'd be able to be do so much more. And I don't believe that that's true. I think that Anything I wanted to do, I could

you know, h hiring one of many, many programmers out there or using a no code tool, it is actually not holding me back and I can get the same result whether I do it or not. The part I disagree with is I think it's really awesome to be able to have an idea in your head and be able to make it happen yourself because there's a huge lossiness and trying to explain to something else. Explain something that's in your head that's kind of fuzzy.

to somebody else, having them download your fuzzy picture, then they output it in a even fuzzier way. It's like a game of telephone and it comes out very different. A lot of times like when I write something or like like if somebody says, All right, uh, can you help me with this email? I'm like, Yeah, but you gotta give me the keyboard. And they're like, Well no, I'll like I'll I'll type it. And I'm like

No, you don't understand. Like I don't just think of the email. I write the email and while I'm writing it, I think of what to say. Like I I can't create content in a in in my head. I create it while I'm doing it. And I think most great things that get created are like that. You're building it and while you're building it You're sort of like figuring out what you want to build and like playing with the idea live. And that's what gets separated when you're not the builder yourself. And so I'm I I am jealous that I don't get to do that when it comes to building apps. And let me ask you one more question. So let's just say that we took um some of the big folks. I I actually I won't use Elon because he's proven it, but like you take the guy who started Snapchat, Evan Evan, I think uh Evan Spiegel, yeah.

Zuck. The Google folks. Bezos. Maybe not Bezos'cause he's also proven it. But you take them And you strip away like what they've done.

And they're the same age, but You know, they've just been like an insurance agent their whole life. Um Do you think In one scenario do you think that they could still accomplish something great and then

On the other side, let's just say that they decided at the same time when they were young, nine teens and starting Facebook, let's just say that like, you know, instead of Facebook, I'm gonna focus on like a music or or this like music app, like still tech, but just like a slightly different version. Do you think that they would be even remotely as big and successful as they as they are? So the second question I think is much easier to answer, which is I think all of those people would be very successful by any like kind of objective measure. But would they be People that we know their name, we talk about them and their, you know, hundred billionaire, you know, status. No.

You know, I do not think that's true. I think luck plays a part in the magnitude of the success, but not the probability of success. So I think all of them, the probability of success for them is all ninety plus percent. They would all be Good at what they do. Positive impact, you know. make millions of dollars over their career.

and be like considered top of their field in whatever field they go to. The magnitude of success, the fact that they end you know, basis ends up being worth hundreds of billions of dollars. That I think is Um

much more luck of the bounce on which opportunity you took versus others. Um So yeah. So th that's kinda my answer to the second one. What would you say? I agree. I think that the so for example, there's this guy named David Carp. You know who David Carp is? He's the Tumblr guy, right?

He invented Tumblr. And Tumblr basically sold to Yahoo I think for a A billion? Was it was it a billion? It sold for a lot of money. But he's tot then they shut it down. Tumblr's totally non existent anymore. And he uh He doesn't I don't even know what he does. He just he's not relevant.

And I think that a guy like him who I've seen talk and I've heard and I've read his writing, he's pretty brilliant. And I'm like, Man, if Tumblr had not sold or if you were working on something else, I think you could have been way better. Another one is the guy who created Meetup. Um Scott, I think his name is He is amazing too, but meetup is not that big of a it wasn't that big, it wasn't that interesting. I think if that guy would have worked on something else, it actually would've he would have been significantly more successful. And it And some of these guys, it's kinda like they're Lance Armstrong and they're riding the two de France in a mountain bike or with a flat tire. It's like man, you that was needlessly hard. If you could have been way better if if you if you just picked a different thing.

Right, meetup to me is like a level six opportunity. It was just like a really hard space to go into. He did the best of anybody who went into that space. We all know the name because of that reason. But meetup just wasn't as big as not meeting your friends in real life and only talking to them online through Facebook, right? Like Facebook was just a And I don't think It was that Zuck knew that. So I don't think it's that they're so kind of like Um big brain that they just

The filter up. Bad idea for like best idea. I think you know, like there's a lot of text messages I get leaked from Zuck early on and He was he thought Wirehog was gonna be the

The real thing. He was like, you know, still debating I don't know if I should do Facebook. When Facebook was like already a thing and working and he's like He's like, I think, you know, this is the this stuff that we're r doing right now is gonna really help us when we do Wirehog, which is like a file transfer protocol that he just thought might be bigger. And um Yeah, obviously at some point he recognized, No, this is the opportunity, let me do this, but like

It's not like up front he just said, I analyzed a hundred opportunities and I have identified the one that's gonna be this app that has like billions of users. I don't believe that that's true at all. I think you sort of look into the size of the opportunity and the era that you were born. You know, these guys, if they were born before the tech wave, they might have just been the best blacksmith in town. and not had like any of the tools that let you become a hundred billionaire because there just was no leverage available to you. You know, a hundred years ago or whatever. Yeah, I uh by the way, w Michael Chandler and Justin Gachy, they uh they fought re like uh three months ago. These are two UFC guys and they're both known for sort kind of being like big meatheads who just stand in the middle and bang and hit each other really hard and they don't there's they're just kinda crazy. And Justin Gachy at the end said something amazing. He goes I love the it he had just suffered this like three round war where they're banging each other in the head as hard as they can and you feel sad because you're like, This guy has gonna have brain damage and at the end he goes

What just happened, I love it. He goes, I feel like I was born in the wrong era. I should have been a Roman gladiator because I would have loved to fight to the death in front of all you people. And I h and I heard that and I it gave me chills. I was like, I believe you. I th you're you and I are not the same. You're you're crazy. Like you are built to be a warrior. And sometimes I think about that. I'm like Who today like or I I think like who was like like Alexander the Great, if we put him in like today's era, like would he just be like too brutish and be like, dude, you're an idiot, bounce. Like get out of here, you dumb idiot. Or like if Napoleon came into play nowadays, like would we become like a dating app? Yeah, like what would like what would like the gladiators of then be working on now? Like would they just like it? Well let's ask our historian, Ben, you study these guys, what do you think? If you transplanted Alexander the Great or Napoleon into this era or Edison, would he be like, What are you a dating app? Really? That's so Or would he think that that's the coolest thing ever? And he goes I wish I could have done this.

I doubt Edison would be into dating apps, but I like I was on my Alexander the Great Episode one of the points I made is I was just reading this book about Alexander the Great and it talked about a contract that he negotiated With one of his contractors, one of his suppliers to move

their baggage train from one area to another. And I was just like Oh This is like not that different. Like he had contracts that he had to negotiate and he had suppliers who provided his weapons and like logistics and he just contracting them out and he had people in charge of the contracts and like had basically kind of the same organization that CEOs have. So I think like yeah. So Alexander the Great, I think he'd be a His personality, he'd probably be like a CEO.

Uh Edison would be like a entrepreneur kind of technical, but moves out of it like a zuck. Like yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. I I think about that all the time, uh, about like what like the

The Mm. You know, people who dominated from hundreds of years ago, what would they be like today? And vice versa. I'm like, dude If if Zach didn't learn how to use a computer, like would that guy have just been a dork, like in the eighteen hundreds? Like what could he even have survived the plague?

Like you know what I mean? And so I think about that all the time. Um cool. Guys, I gotta run. Alright, end of episode.

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