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Eco friendly, ones that kept track of things, smart water bottles. I've just never done it. Yeah, dude, I'm fine. I'm they call me uh Hosewater was my middle name in high school. I'm I'm Like

Hello I feel like I can rule the world, I know I can be what I want to Alright, do you wanna do a recap On Rob Deirdick. 'Cause I've been getting blown up about

About that. Yeah, this is I would say definitely the mo the biggest reaction we've had to an episode in a long time. Maybe ever. Ever. I'd probably say ever. The the the one thing that I got was basically people said This is not just the best podcast you guys have done, but this is maybe the best episode I've ever listened to of any podcast. And

I don't it's definitely wasn't us that made it great, but he was pretty amazing, right? He w he was, and I didn't know how it would turn out. I remember literally being amazed in the moment. Like the things he was saying were very surprising to me. And very interesting and I wanted to know more, and he told he was very open. So that was dope as well. But I d you never know like how the episode turns out and there's all these different factors, you know, from

Audio quality to like Do people care what this person has to say? Are they interested what we're interested in? Well people definitely dug it. Yeah, you're right. People were saying like The my top three podcast episodes this year was Naval on Tim Ferrest, Rob on your guys' pod, and then whatever some reply all podcast that happened. So it was like not just this is y'all's best, but this is one of the best I've heard. And there was people tweeting like

All right, this is the fourth person that mentioned this to me. I gotta go listen to this today. So something definitely happened. I'm curious in the numbers what that's gonna show. Uh in a couple of triple things. They're good. I've I've looked at them. He okay, so Rob Deerdick on the podcast mentioned his schedule. And I was curious about it. And so I actually Um

And he sent me a screenshot. I sent it to you, Sean. Can you read what it what it what it is. And um basically like at first glance, what does it look like when you see his schedule? It's it's a picture of his Gmail. Or his counter. So it looks like well there's a few there's a few views, but uh the one I'm looking at, it looks like I would say a combination between like a P L, like uh you know, a a business's P L cash flow statement.

And or like, you know, just like a research doc put out by uh Gartner about, you know, the trends of an industry. This doesn't look like one person's You know Weekly schedule. And If you look at the view of his calendar

Every single minute of his day is marked off. Every minute. Yeah, it's blocked off now some of it is like You know, it could be like

whatever free time or something like that, like family and kids, right? So it's not saying he's working all the time, but Every minute is is accounted for. Every minute has a purpose. And uh I it says here I track every hour of every day throughout the day and tag each entry. I have a script written that pulls and p pulls the time and populates into these two spreadsheets.

One is daily time use and the other is monthly averages. So should we do the month should we look at his monthly average real quick? Yeah. Alright, so monthly average will take um We'll take September. Okay, so September he's got sleep. Which was six point nine hours.

Uh health one point two hours. Life which is like kinda like family and things like that. Seven point eight hours and then work. uh eight point one hours per day. And it's pretty consistent. Like work never in any month in the whole year, the lowest month was February five point eight hours and the highest month was October nine point three hours, right? uh sleep almost always six point eight or six point nine

hours per day. So this is a a pretty uh meticulous Um Meticulous thing. And by the way, in the work category he's got like T V shows, right? Here's my T V shows, here's w here's how many hours I'm spending on TV shows. Not watching TV, making TV.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Making TV making his T V shows. Um and then there's like the Doodick Machine, which is kind of like his business that builds businesses. And then there's other, which is you know, random meetings and stuff like that. Um, very cool, very cool. And health, he's got gym, meditation, personal care, other Uh for life he's got, you know, him and his wife. Kids. Friends and social and then other, right? So this is this is sick. Do you think

Okay, so let's let's Let's talk about this just for two seconds. Do you think that this Does this work for you? Because By the way, I'm saying this out loud, but I I I'm gonna package this if it's if he's okay with it, I'm gonna package this and post it somewhere so it's a visual thing. So we should basically like you know, on Twitter and newsletter I'll put it on my newsletter too, but like We should post this so people can see it if he's cool with it. I'll I'll ask him.

Yeah. And do you think that do do you roll this way? Because W I you and I joke, like the best days are when there's nothing on the calendar And when people cancel stuff and and that feels like the best day to me, although sometimes I feel lazy and sometimes I feel meaningless. But do you do you like to operate this way or do you like to operate with uh open calendar or what? So I'll tell you some of my uh I'll tell you two things. I'll tell you my my calendar philosophy. Do I want to be scheduled or unscheduled? I wanna be the opposite of this. I wanna be completely unscheduled.

Um, and you know, I I don't know why that is the case. It used to be the opposite. So my calendar used to look a lot like his. I used to block out like I used to just do it at high level, like work block one. Lunch, work block two, gym. Yeah, family time. Yeah.

end of night kind of like hobby, you know, reading random random bullshit or whatever. I used to just kinda like schedule out my day like that. And try to keep it um and then I would have like in the in a in a week I would have one day, like I still have this, I have one day where I do ninety minutes of random meetings, meaning People that are just find interesting, I just want to meet with no agenda. And just kind of like cool people, meet meeting cool people. And so I I do schedule time full of randomness.

But for the most part I've gone away from having a highly scheduled day to having a unscheduled day. Meaning I don't schedule it in advance. On the day of I decide what I'm gonna do and I decide how I'm gonna spend today.

But I don't decide that like two weeks in advance. And so when somebody says, Can we meet, I have a simple rule. It's like Do I wanna meet you right if you wanna do a call, you wanna meet me, do I wanna meet you right now? If so, I'm gonna say, would you like to do it right now? If not, I'll say, Oh, I can't do right now, but I'll give you a call in an hour or two hours from now.

And if I don't want to do it right now, I say sorry, I don't want to meet. And I don't schedule it for like three weeks from now, which is the what I used to do. I used to say, Ah, do this, okay. Yeah, I'm free two weeks, but then guess what? Two weeks shows up. And then I'm like shit, I gotta do this call. I didn't want to do then, I definitely don't want to do it now. It's expired. Yeah, it keeps me up the night before sometimes. Yeah, so I'm a I'm much more of an unscheduled person. Um but the day of I decide how I'm gonna use today's time.

Yeah, it uh his his calendar was amazing to me and I think that it's gonna be quite popular when you post that. Maybe uh maybe um we'll have to divvy up who could post what because we could I both yeah. Um d did you ever do this time tracking shit?'Cause I also went through like an aggressive time tracking phase and I wanted to share one learning from that. Um I wouldn't I was never aggressive about it. No. I I um I prefer open time and uh I prefer working from midnight until like three AM. when and that's when I do a lot of my golden stuff. So like if I have to copyright what I if I have to do any type of copyrighting I w I I'll hang out all day and read and have fun and Sarah's like, When are you gonna do work? I'm like when you go to bed And so she'll go to bed and then from midnight to three, sometimes midnight to four I can get I can do golden golden work around that around that hour.

I have a theory about this. So Furcon, who was my co technical co founder of uh my previous company, he's been on the pod he was the same way. He would I would like he would roll into work at eleven, eleven thirty He'd start his workday with lunch and like you would think this is the laziest guy ever, but actually he was He's massively hard working. He was just up till five in the morning on average. Yeah. And so, you know, five in the morning, then he sleeps, you know, six hours, he wakes up at 11 and he comes into work. And um

And even when he was at work, like we would take like an hour, we just play video games, we would just like And I was just like, dude, like w And he goes, He goes, I don't know, I just oh I just figure this out for myself early on, which is that like The time I act like during the day it's just like I'm basically just trying to exhaust myself. Like I wanna have conversations, I kind of

Manage other people, I kinda read shit. I'll talk to people, I'll eat lunch, I'll go work out, I'll do all the stuff. He's like, I'm basically just trying to get myself really like Like I needed my brain to slow down. And I'm gonna get in this almost like half sleepy state.

Which is not sleepy the way most people think about it. Most people think sleepy means you can't function. But there is a point where you're like kinda tired. You know and you get kinda loopy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like that's when you can do creative work. And for him, programming is creative work. So he's like, dude, from like midnight to four AM I write the best code, and it's basically like only my hands are moving. I don't want to get up, nobody bothers me, nobody talks to me. I don't have to meet anybody. I just And I just f go into flow state and I just work during that time. And that's kinda what you're describing is your midnight to three AM. I have that same thing and I've I figured out through Furcon that

There's this thing that happens where if you're trying to do creative work You need to be more relaxed. and less kind of like distracted and also like a little loopy is good'cause it adds a little bit of like Serendipity into your brain, your brain's willing to play with different ideas and go in different directions, maybe. And so for copywriting, you kinda want something like that. Also, I believe twenty three in me has a like a line item on one of their attributes. Uh And it talks about

Are you a night owl or an early An early person. And I so I think that a lot of the stuff of when you're gonna get your creative work done, I actually think it's genetic and whatever it is, you should just go all in on it. For example. I mean the world set up for early risers, you know. If you if you get up at five AM and get stuff done like Rob did or like you win. Like it's it's the world's setup. So you actually if you're a a night person like I am or you am, you kinda gotta go against the grain, which sucks. But

Uh here's a good example. The founder of Box, the CEO of Box, what's his name? Ben Levy? Aaron Levy. Sorry. Ben Levy's my guy. Yeah. Aaron Levy. Aaron Levy up Close to a billionaire, maybe hundreds of millions of a millionaire, uh founder of a multi billion dollar company. I was friends with his assistant and she would tell me that he has no meetings until eleven AM and that's typically when he starts at the office because he works until five AM. And by the way, Bezos is the opposite. Bezos is like

Um I want all my meetings from eight AM to noon. All all important decisions I need to make by then because my brain is functioning the best. And then after that I don't wanna have any important meetings in the day. I'll have other meetings, but no dis no key decisions, no heavy topics with important like stuff to digest. I wanna do other work during that time. And so and like you know, Rob Deer Deck on his calendar here, it's four thirty AM wake up wake up call pretty much every single day. One one day he sleeps until five AM. Uh so he's a little bit different cat. I think it's you know, what works for you and uh and then you wanna play to that. Like I spent many years

trying to be like uh I wanna wake up at five A. so I can be more productive and it's just like Waking up three hours earlier was way harder for me than just staying up three hours later. And so it's like why am I Fighting what's Easy for me, what feels like play to me.

versus what feels like a absolute grind to me and it's sort of unsustainable, it's all willpower based. And so I you know, I made that shift. But I'll give you one thing that's that is worth doing. So I tried to like track every hour to see how I'm using it'cause I was kinda wanna you know, time is your most precious asset, so I wanted to see how it It gets spent. That was a little bit exhausting. Hopefully someday there's gonna be tools that just make this easy so it's like it just happens passively.

But one thing that is amazing is a calendar audit. I don't know if you've ever done one of these. It's a calendar audit or some people call it an en energy audit. It basically means you take For one week you sort of keep track of like roughly how you used Each hour. And um

And then what you do is the next week you just go back, you just pull up last week's calendar. You take three colored markers. You take a green marker, a red marker, and a yellow marker. And you go back through your week how you spent your time and you say, What which block which thing I did gave me energy, I mark those green. Which felt like it sucked all the energy out of me. I was drained afterwards and my felt like my soul had been sucked out of me. Let me mark those red and then the neutral things let me mark yellow.

And you look at the painting, you know, you look at your color and you're like, Wow, that's a lot of red, or hey, that's actually pretty good. That's a lot of green. And then you just audit and so you're all you're doing is just trimming the fat. And you just say, All right, cool. This week I'm gonna do less of the red stuff. I'm gonna do less by just literally avoiding it. By automating it or delegating it. And you just make a decision, you just improve it by one week. And you just do that every so often. And if you do that, it's an amazing way to manage

Not your calendar as in like Maximizing efficiency. But maximizing your energy so that you feel good and you are um when you feel your best, you're gonna you know perform your best at work. I think version of you. Well this

uh work just fine if I don't make this decision or if I if I don't if I don't attend this or do this, will will life be okay? If yes, then Uh eliminate it. Right. Yeah, let's do some other stuff.

Which uh where do you wanna go? Well I've got a lot and you've got a lot. Yeah, we both got a lot. So we have a we have a couple episodes worth of stuff here. Give me one off yours that you're really into. Okay. Um, have you heard of Brewmate? No, and I'm not a coffee drinker. Is it a coffee drinking thing? It doesn't have to be. So okay. So Broomate, it's spelled B R U M A T E Their first thing was like a koozie, basically. Their first product was a was a koozie. Something that interested me about this uh and now they make tumblers, so basically what's a tumbler? Like a just a coffee drink. Thermos. Like a thermos thing. They make a a koozie They make a water bottle.

Cups for cold stuff and hot stuff. And Uh the reason why this interested me is trends, my company Trends, Trends.co, we did a story on Broomate and they interviewed the founder and they did a good job and I think Julia wrote it and they got a picture of the revenue. So check this out. Jacob, who's the founder, Jacob grew Brommate to twenty million in revenue without a single employee. And so th this company launched in two thousand sixteen. Their revenue was basically uh Uh, two thousand sixteen, nothing. Two thousand seventeen it looks uh single digit, hundreds of thousands, maybe close to a million. Two thousand eighteen, uh getting close to twenty million in revenue. Two thousand nineteen, over twenty five million in revenue, two thousand twenty, a hundred million in revenue. And he

did most everything with agencies and contractors and not a single full time employee until after twenty million in revenue. And it got me thinking, one, that's amazing. That's like the greatest thing ever, if you ask me. I think that's like the the the ideal business. And number two These water bottle and cup businesses, this is something that like if you told me you're gonna start that, I'm be like, dude, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. What are you doing? I there are so many example examples of some of these things that are huge. For example, there's a s business called Swell. Do you know of Swell water bottles? No. I by the way, I'm uh I since college I've been the type of person that just never uses water bottles. Me neither. I'm like child, I go to water fountains and I just like put my mouth on the fucking thing and I drink from a water fountain. That's what I do. And everybody else had these like amazing, elaborate Water bottles always e eco friendly, ones that kept track of things, smart water bottles.

I've just never done it. Yeah, dude, I'm fine. I'm they call me Hosewater was my middle name in high school. I'm I'm Like

I don't know. I wish I had made that up as a dig on you, calling you housewater, but that's so perfect though. I thought I was going low bar. Like my low class thing was a water fountain. You like showed me what I think. Yeah, like if there was like a new Coke product that was hose water flavor for like from Missouri, I'd be drinking that shit. That's what I grew up on. So I'm not like By the way, by the way, c can we share this? We uh so so w the interview we did with Brian Halligan, the CEO of HubSpot. They're playing it at at inbound, which is the huge marketing conference. I think that's the ad for these podcasts or something, is inbound. Go to inbound. Great. So uh

They're playing the the the recording there as an interview. And so for weeks uh for weeks our guy has been uh producer of the pod, uh uh uh the old producer of the pod was badgering us like hey guys, they need this intake form. And like you know, I'm just like allergic to words like that, so I'm You know, what's that Jeff Bezos thing? Can it what happens if I don't do this? That was my my take and it was yours too. Um, it was like, Hey guys, I need you to fill this out. I need you to sign this waiver saying you're okay with the content being on there. Like, dude, I'm okay with it. Like obviously it's a public free podcast, you can just use it wherever you want. Um and they're like, No, no, no, you gotta sign this thing. And I'm like, Oh my god, I gotta download a PDF and figure out how to sign this. So weeks go by, me and Sam both do nothing.

At one point. He goes, Hey Sam, uh that intake form, you know, they're really ask me for it. Sam goes, Oh you can tell a b I know. And he's just joking, but we we basically we didn't do it, right? And so another week goes by, he goes, All right, guys, I really need this intake form.

So we've we're like fine, all right, we sign the thing. He's like, Oh, I also need a bio for you. Um and it's like what's your job title? What's your bias? Like, I don't know, dude. I host a podcast and I like build random businesses that like It it's not I don't have like a job title and I don't have like a bio for you. And so I just wrote future owner of the LA Lakers.

And then uh wrote it Future Owner of a Lake. It's true, man. It's true, I think that's the difference between us. I embodying the difference between us so perfectly. Uh is is amazing. All right. You can cut you can cut that part out if you're gonna get fired for that thing. No, you can keep that. Uh we don't delete anybody. So we thought this is stupid. It's not stupid.

Yeah, and so there's this thing called Swell. Look up Swell. Look up swell. It it's a water bottle. I'm not a water bottle guy either. It looks like the dumbest thing ever. I mean, it's not dumb, it just looks like the n most normal thing ever. Then there's corksticle, which is basically a cork water bottle, over eighty million revenue, and then there's one called BKR. I actually don't know how to say that. Beaker? But but uh I don't know. They d then they sell water bottle for a hundred and eighty five dollars. It's glass and and this one's actually cool'cause I hate metal water bottles and I hate plastic. It's glass, but it has like plasti or uh like rubber around it so you don't shatter it. Anyway

Um Who would have thought? Who would have thought? Yeah, crazy. Uh, and did he say how he scaled?'Cause this is one of the most aggressive scaling businesses I've ever heard of. So To go from basically

Sub one million to eighteen million in one year. And then to go from like, I don't know, it looks like maybe thirty million To a hundred million? Yeah, these are huge jumps. Um

Facebook ads. So he didn't spend uh a dime, so or sorry, he didn't build anything. So he created a landing page and then he drove Facebook ads to it. uh and he got a a pre launch email list of six thousand people and then he sent those folks an email to buy it. And they bought it and he used that money to go and build the product. Classic.

Yeah, classic way. So kind of interesting. Um and so tha that's that an idea, but I just wanted to bring that up. No, that's cool. I like that one. Um yeah, do we have anything to riff off that or just like, you know, props to this guy? No, props to that guy. But

Uh that's it. And it looks like he used a bunch of like um like w working capital is always very hard for e commerce businesses. And so it looks like you know, he couldn't get a good line of credit early, so we did pre sales. And then okay, he did pre sales. Then he through the pre sales now he got an expensive line of credit. So Um

You know, he got he got an SBA loan, he got Shopify Capital, PayPal working capital, Amazon lending, he would use one to pay the next, and that just like let him roll over one from one line of credit to the next one. Dude in a way after doing an audit, he got a two million dollar line of credit. And now raise twenty million dollars. In a way, I think that these people are so audacious, and here's why. If you told me if this guy I w I don't know what his name is, uh if you told me that you're gonna launch a water bottle, I'm be like Jacob, you're an idiot. This is the stupidest thing ever. And you know who else I would have said that to?

Movement watches. So this guy also named Jacob, Jake Kasan, spoke at HustleCon. This was like pre-D to C even being a word. Okay? So Jacob Kasan. He launched his company called Movement. Or Casson, sorry, launched this company called Movement. They were shitty watches uh from China. Uh they ordered a bunch and they start selling them on movement.com or whatever. Then they kinda make'em a little bit better, but they're still like not the most high quality watches. In his company, he sold that thing for two hundred million dollars.

And again, if you would have showed me this watch I'd be like You are crazy, no one's gonna buy this. This is just ridiculous. And I've talked to him and he's like, Well, why not? Like people buy watches, why won't they buy mine? I think that confidence is awesome and I love it. I don't know if I have it, but I love it. Yeah, it takes it definitely takes guts. And I think you know, one thing I've learned is that these spaces uh So there's like there's there's the niche spaces, which we love.

And then there's also the everybody every day problems. And that's what like keeping beverages. And I think you wanna go on one end of the spectrum or the other. You need to go hyper niche where it's like yeah, I'm you know For a specific type of toe fungus, this is the uh this is the best cream. And I'm just gonna target that. And on the other side you go, Everybody every day problems and I'm just gonna try to sell this thing because my ads will apply to everybody. And so there's basically like

Um you know, like I've been looking at different water brands. So what's the one in Austin? So there's like LaCroix or whatever is like kind of like a larger people in Texas can like it. Well Tobache's been around for a while. What's the one that's like the startup that Lance Armstrong invested in that's the guys in Austin? Let me look it up. I know what you're talking about. Waterloo, is that it? Yeah, that's it. I think it's Waterloo. Okay, so there's Waterloo, they got huge. They're like oh yeah, we're at fifty million in sales. There's w a brand called Ugly Water, founder sent me a case of that. Thank you for that.

Uh ugly water again. Cool sparkling water. crushing it, doing millions and millions of dollars in sales. And I'm like, dude, how many more of these can there be? Liquid death. We had liquid death on probably a hundred million in sales. Yeah, exactly. So you know b you know just

Bottled water again, like you know, canned water, sparkling water. Uh like my trainer was talking to yesterday and he's like, Bro, let's start a coconut water brand. I was like, Yeah, we should because you know what, like Uh Coconut water is a massive market and like You could just go in and do more. He's from Hawaii, so he's like bro, like I grew up on this stuff.

We can we can brand it right, we can get it out there. And I was like, Okay, cool, let me find an operator. So if somebody wants to m start a coconut water brand with me, just email me Sean at Chomperu.com because I want to start one. And by start one I mean I want you to do most of the work. And I'll do uh Virtually nothing. So so let's let's do that split. Can you y can you talk about this guy, uh, Khan?

The NFL owner. Yes. Oh by the way, can I do two quick updates? One, um Uh there's a guy you you know you talked about like just buying a giant ranch, a buying giant farmland or whatever. There's a guy who hit me up who's very credible, who's like, I'll do this for you guys, like I will go find it, I'll I'll find the right thing, I'll acquire, I'll get the permits, I'll build it out.

Um And like, you know, let's just partner on it. And so uh I I love this podcast because it basically matches Dude, you get all like why is it the ugly water guy setting why is it ugly water guy setting me water? Why is it ranch guy setting for it? That's what I was into. Yeah, you're into it. I think my email's easier to find. I don't know. And people people just guess my email easier.

Like I often have a lot of things. Dude, my email's the same as yours, Sam at SamPar.com. It's literally the exact same. Let me tell you this. Oh so a YouTuber reached out. So shout out to Rebecca, who's a a YouTuber who who reached out. She's got ten million YouTube subscribers. Amazing. She's a big star. Channel's awesome. And um she she's a fan of the pot and she had e email and reached out and said, Hey

I listened to the pod, our her I think her husband reached out or a brother or business manager, somebody reached out and said, Hey It's her birthday tomorrow, she'd love to like meet you guys as like a birthday present. No, she didn't say you guys. Okay, she said whatever. She said but she put both of our email they had both of our emails on there, but for you they had like Holler at the hustle.com, which I don't know if that's a real email or not. I went back and looked and it's Holler. Maybe it's even spelled wrong, I don't know. Is Holler your email address? No

That's not my email address. Maybe that's why I didn't get it. Fuck. I don't know. I don't even know what that is. I I can tell by the the word holler at the hustle. I guarantee you made that up one day. Yeah, years ago. That that was supposed to be our our help email.

Yeah, exactly. I guarantee that. Like just holler at me. Like we'll fix it. Just holler at me. Exactly. The other one the other update is Um This guy sent me a screenshot. He's like ten thousand dollars. He goes, Thank you for that idea. I don't know if you remember, we had done an idea either here or on Twitter about

uh moving bins. So this very simple idea which is like when you move you need these like packing bins just like these plastic Heavy duty bins. So you don't have to do boxes. So you just pack all your stuff, you move to your other place, you unpack you unpack it, you just return the bins. So you just rent these bins for the day while you move.

And I had like done the done the numbers, I was like, This thing is kinda great. It's like okay, maybe you can't buy a property and rent it out. But you can buy fifty of these bins and rent them out and you can make good money. And so he emailed he's like, Hey, it's been a long sweat. Like I'm not saying it was easy, but You know, I've got ten thousand dollars made from these bins. And uh you know, thanks for the idea. I just really appreciate that. That's you know, uh it's kind of been a great side income for me in my city.

And I'm like, Oh, this is cool. Like that's that's the best feeling of this whole podcast is basically If we throw the ideas out there and then people actually run with them and make something happen out of it. So let me tell you something about that. First of all, that's amazing. So d have you ever been to the grocery store and seen one of those carpet cleaners? Carpet cleaners like uh what do you mean?

Like a vacuum or something else. Yeah, so it looks like a vacuum, but it's it's meant for um It looks like a vacuum. No, it's like you push it. You never see one of these so like people like the heavy duty carpet cleaning, like like more like a deep clean. Yes. And people rent those for like two hundred dollars a day. You know what I'm talking about?

Uh yeah, I know. Like it's kinda like the equivalent of power washing or something like that before your carpet. Yes, okay. So I was thinking I I was like looking at this and they a lot of them have a meter on there and they and that's like the hours uh the hours that uh it can go for been logged. So like they it's like a dirt bike or like a boat where it's like instead of saying how many miles does it have on it's how many hours. And so a lot of these things, a lot of these carpet cleaners, they can last for something like Um Five years. So f let's uh I I I I I I don't know if this is the number. Yeah, long time.

Yeah, so I don't know if this is exactly how it would work, but let's say three and sixty five or fi there's fifty two weeks in a year, fifty two times Uh, forty let's see, I'm just doing it really quick, two sixty. So public math, are you? No, I'm doing it on my computer. Okay. So we don't do public math. So a lot of these things will last like ten to fifteen thousand hours. And they rent out for like two hundred dollars a day, which comes out to be like You know, twenty dollars an hour. I think buying uh and renting carpet cleaners is one of the greatest like

Banks for your money when I went I went to the grocery store and I just looked at I was like, How much does this cost? And I looked at how much they cost to buy. They cost like eight hundred dollars to buy. So this thing at the grocery store that I keep seeing all I would see it all the time and then I I once I saw those I would say to the people, I'm like, How often do those rent for? Uh do the people rent them a lot? And they're like, Yeah, all the time. They're always being rented out. It's like one of the greatest things I've ever seen when I was like doing the math. I'm like, This is brilliant. The car. It goes back to our teenage side hustle. Like if you're a teenager, you have a teenager, just get one of these and then teach your teenager how to make like Kind of like one page sales letters. And Yelp ads and basically just

Drop the sales letters in uh yeah. Under everyone's door. uh every month. So you gotta print out a hundred of these, put'em in your neighborhood, and just say, Hey Hey y'all, I live over here at thirty seven Terrace Woodway. And uh I bought this cleaner. It's amazing. Here's the before and after of my carpet.

But You know, I'm not gonna use this you know, I only needed to use it once and it made such a big difference, but I still got the thing. If you want it, I'll rent it out to you for forty bucks. Just text me here. I'll bring it to your house if you want your carpet clean. And if you want me to do it for you, I'll do it for one hundred and fifty. And uh and and you know, just do that and like that's a such a good teenage side hustle. uh because you know you'll learn sales, you'll learn marketing, you'll learn a little bit of like e unit economics. It's just a little way to get kinda make your first dollar. I think making your first dollar is massively underrated. Like

I didn't make my first doll my first hustle dollar where like Not like a job where I was sitting at a cash register all day, but like Mie creating a product and selling it to somebody. I didn't do that till I was like nineteen. I I I'm sure you did it earlier because I think you were flipping stuff on ebay or something. You I think you're more of a hustler early on than me too. Well, yeah, but eBay eBay doesn't feel like the first dollar though.

Uh, maybe it does. Well it's kinda like y you had the scheme. It's not a job, basically. Like you're kind of like first dollar out of business. Yeah, and it's a But by the way, nineteen is very young, dude. Uh actually maybe it was maybe it was later. I thought you were gonna say like thirty. And um so it's probably twenty two, actually. And so like, you know, I wish that that twenty two was twelve. I think that it's like learning languages or you know, like working out like

The earlier you learn these core skills, the better. And so uh you know, if you if you're sitting there and you even if you're twenty nine right now, thirty nine, whatever it is. And you're at a job and you've just never done this. I really encourage you to go make your first dollar as a side hustle as a business. Uh make a product or find a product and sell it.

And um You know It it's it'll it's surprising how it'll kinda like change the way you look at things. Yeah, I agree. I that's what I told Sarah when she was doing her course. I'm like if you just give make one dollar and it's gonna change your life. Um can you tell me about this con guy?

I love this guy. Okay, yeah. Alright, this is the Billy of the Week. And by the way, uh by the way, we should have Ben pop on Ben Ben Come on here real quick. We got a new producer and One of the things I'm gonna ask him to do is

For our little segments. Make sure we do our segments, like Billy of the Week, people love that segment, we should do it. And two Uh we gotta have like a little sound, a little jingle, a little something wherever we go to this segment, I think. And Ben Ben's the host of the How to Take for the World podcast. If you're not subscribed to that, do it. He did this those Edison episodes that we released about Thomas Edison. He has a producer of our show now. He has almost a hundred thousand listens a month.

Woo. All right, Ben. Okay, big dog. I'm surprised you're even still here with that big number. Yeah. Uh not not for long, Sean. If you keep pumping me up like this, then you're not gonna get it. Your head's not even gonna fit in the zoom window.

Um we'll we'll try out a sound. We'll we'll play something on this episode, a little like Billy of the Week jingle and see how people feel about it. Alright, sounds good. And you gotta replace Abreu at the end when we used to ask Abreu how we did and he gave us the the strike talk if it was good. Million dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool? A billion dollars. Back to the Billy of the Week. So this guy, his name is Shahid Khan. He's from Pakistan and he his story's kind of insane, so Here's the guy who

Move to America at age six stin. First job is a dishwasher for I think a dollar sixty an hour. And um you know, so he starts making a dollar sixty an hour and today he's worth nine billion dollars personally. And uh how the heck did he do that? So do you know this guy's story? Um, a little bit. I know him because he's incredibly recognizable. He's like he's kinda beautiful. Like if he he he looks

He looks like a badass. Well, he looks like someone who's I both respect and fear because they seem formidable and also they look like they like to party. Yeah, he's got a fucking sick mustache, basically. That's his like iconic thing. He's got one of the mustaches that's like almost a twirl at the end. It's amazing. So he looks really special. is the way I would describe him in a good way. Um okay, so what is the story? So he he starts off dishwasher He's like sleeping at the YMCA. Um and like, you know, now that he's super rich, he like donates millions of dollars to the Y M CA'Sa's like, dude, I used to sleep in here, I used to hide in the Y M C and sleep'cause it was so cold outside and I didn't I couldn't afford like, you know, where I was supposed to live.

And so he um So he got rich by he made his millions by or his billions, really by building custom bumpers for cars. So car bumpers, truck bumpers, car bumpers, that sort of thing. So here's like how it all works. So he he graduates as an engineering student. And he gets a job at this company that does manufacturing for uh for bump for car bumpers. And he kinda like works his way up first few years. I think he's there for f maybe five, seven years, something like that. He's eventually he's like kinda like leading the engineering operations.

And he's sort of like, Man, this is so inefficient the way we do this. We get all these different parts, and we try to like jam them together to make this call bumper. And it's real heavy, it's really clunky, it's kinda ugly. And um and I think the company was called Flexingate or later it was called Flexingate, but Uh he's he's working at this company. And then he Along the way, he sort of like he's trying to convince the company like hey, we should change the design, but they're not really listening to him. So he's like, All right, screw it, I'm gonna spin out my own company.

And I'm gonna design my own bumpers. And so he quits. He takes uh he I think he has sixteen thousand dollars in personal savings, he takes like a fifty thousand dollar SBA loan. And he goes and he creates his own

uh bumper company, right? And so he He starts uh trying to go get clients, uh trying to get customers and he's getting, you know, some small customers. And along the way, as he's making progress. He gets sued by his previous employer. They're like, Hey, you stole trade secrets. And um you're compet your competition now, so like screw you, we're gonna we're gonna sue you.

And he's like shit, like Um, they're way bigger than me. I can't afford You know, m I can't afford a lawyer basically, so I'm like, How am I gonna fight this in court And I know their strategy their strategy's gonna be like

They just um they just bleed me out. Right, like they're bigger than me. This is gonna cost both of us money, but they're they have deeper pockets. So he comes up with a strategy where he hires the cheapest lawyer he can find. Just to sort of like stall the case. And then like so it's costing him almost nothing to continue. It's costing them a lot of money. They're losing a lot of money on this lawsuit.

And then he starts studying every night, like after the business operations are done, he goes to library and he starts studying law so that he can defend himself in court. Um, because he hires this kind of like Saul Goodman, you know, type of character and just, you know, wants to defend himself and so he starts educating himself. And um So he ends up winning the case. And along the way, that company Flexing Gate was losing like fifty thousand dollars a month.

And so they were their business wasn't very healthy. So by the end he wins the case. And he just ends up it takes the money and he has the money from his business and he buys out Flexing Gate. So he buys out the company that was suing him as like a kind of like a fuck you plus a consolidation of like how much does he pay for it, do you know? I don't know the exact number that he ended up uh buying'em for, but you know, sort of like baller move. uh going back there. And he had designed this bumper that was like a slick kind of like One

continuous piece so it wasn't a bunch of pieces put together and it was way more lightweight. And so all of a sudden the car companies were like, Oh, this is great. We wanna have a lighter weight thing, it's better for fuel efficiency, it's easier for manufacturing, it's cheaper. Fantastic. So they start going to him. And so he starts getting like these contract. And there's like all these little substores in here that like I don't want to dive too far into, but like He wants to get the like Suzuki contract.

And so he like hires a bunch of people who know just speak Japanese, he starts learning all about the culture, he like goes there'cause he's like I have to go further than anyone else is gonna go to win this deal because I'm a no name brand. But I have a great product and if I can make these guys trust me and believe in me This will work.

So he lands Suzuki shortly after that he gets the big Toyota contract. Now, like as of today, I think he's basically making like every automaker's bumpers. Like I think You know, there's like twenty million plus cars that are ha have his bumpers, something ridic some ridiculous number like Thirty percent of all cars uses bumpers. And so the you know, the company um

That's billions and billions of dollars. His personal net worth has ballooned. He owns nine billion dollars, or he's worth nine billion dollars, I believe. as his personal net worth. And then he's done a bunch of other things. So he bought the Jacksonville Jaguars, so he wanted to own an NFL team.

And he tries to buy the Denver Broncos. But at the last minute the guy who was the minority owner had a right of first refusal And like exercised it and bought the Broncos out from under him, Stan Cronkey. And so he's like Ah shit But he became friends with the guys who own the j the people who own the ja the Jaguars. He buys the Jaguars.

And he starts doing some pretty interesting things. So the Jaguars are kinda like one of the bottom of the barrel teams in the NFL. They're not great. They've never they they've had like very small windows of time where the team was good, but it's never like a high profile franchise really. It's like one of the small markets. And so he's like okay, how do I

play the game to like how do I use this to my advantage. So he's like all right Ticket sales are low and he starts to dig into why it's like ah it's just so expensive to come to a game. The average fan is priced out. So he does something like pretty radical like He um He uh

He he made it where any fan can bring their own food to the games? Which is like the opposite of what every other stadium tries to do, where they're like, uh, you know, low ticket, but then we'll charge you like thirty dollars for a hot dog. Yeah. He was like, Bring your own food. And what ends up happening is ticket sales go up and I think food revenue went up when they got to the f to the stadium. Like, you know, some counterintuitive result like that. And um you know, he started doing a bunch of other things like he Uh he put a fantasy football tracker in the stadium on the scoreboard'cause like oh fans

You know, they're not just here to watch the game, they're here for entertainment and part of their entertainment is their fantasy team, so he like would show your points while you're lo while you're there and People got a kick out of that. He like pimped out the locker room for the players. He's like, I wanna have like the best locker room. Very similar things to what Mark Cuban did with the with the uh Dallas Mavs, by the way.

So similar sort of playbook. He now owns AWE, which is like a head to head competitor with WWE like Vince McMahon's thing. So it's like a wrestling wrestling thing. He's got this crazy yacht called Kismet, which is like a I don't know, it's like a I don't know how much this yacht costs, but to rent it?

cost one point two million per week and that excludes food, fuel, and dockage costs. And so like, you know, Beyonce and Jay-Z rent rented this thing out for their Italy vacation. Uh, I think it's like a two hundred million dollar yacht that he rents out for a million dollars a week. Dude, that's nuts. What do you uh what's your biggest takeaway from him? Um I just love this sort of like I mean this Rags to Riches story is kind of like amazing and I think it's Uh it's inspiring. And so I I think there's a lot of people who

Who could do this. You're in a company, you see things done inefficiently, and if you had the guts, you would basically be able to spin out And like you know your own competitor inside and out. Cause you were there as a leader. And so you know where their weaknesses are, you know what the customer needs are, and you know if you start to chip away. Like you can make a lot more than you would ever make climbing the corporate ladder there. And then I loved some of the like

atypical bets that he was making or moves that he's making like Going into wrestling I think is super interesting. Most people don't think about that or go. There's no way that will work, by the way. There's no way. Well, I think it's already made made quite quite a bit.'Cause he bought he he bought this I think he bought the thing for dirt cheap. And there's just like There's always a perpetual number two to WWE, so he doesn't need to become WWE, right? Like yes, there is a long shot.

bull case where you know, he ends up overtaking it. But there's always been a d number two, like W C W back in the day, or like, you know, the local uh the local shows and whatnot. And so I think that there's a lot of money in even being the The m like a s really strong credible number two. And I think WWE ends up buying all their competition and so he might end up flipping it to them someday.

Um but it takes like some deep pockets. So it might fail, like you know That's okay though. But I like these types of bets. It's inspiring to me, like a guy like this. Yeah, I think it's really cool. I'm reading the there's a awesome article about him in the New York Times. It's an old one. It's about uh from two thousand eleven and basically it says Jaguar's buyer has eyes on had his eyes on owner ownership franchise and the dream has come true. And he talks about like how it's been his dream to do that and the whole like immigrant Uh, you know, like this was like the the to me this is an American thing is to own a team and I think that's really great. So anyway, I think it's cool. I think it's a lot of rac racism stuff too, by the way. I s I was reading about that. Like in Jacksonville there's a bunch of ticket holders who canceled it'cause the they an American didn't own the team now. And he's like, Dude, I c we are Americans, but uh you know, so I think he's

even even even still, you know, still fighting cer certain battles. Yeah, I d of course. Um and I dig this. This is a good one. I feel like every billy of the week that we've ever done is like Basically an immigrant. We gotta do an American Billy of the a born and bred American Billy of the Week. No, I like the immigrant stories. I prefer those. Um let me tell you about a cool app that I found. Um well it's a web app, so uh a website. It's called Fuck You Pay Me. And so the UR the URL is F Y P M dot V I P. It's kinda confusing, but I just sent it to you.

And it's in the doc actually as well, and I just sent it on uh Riverside. And so fuck you pay me. So basically what it is, it's the g it's kinda glass door slash yelp for influencers. And so if you are an influencer, you can log on and you can see which brands are easy to work with and how much they pay and people will want to work with them again. And I think this is interesting. For a couple reasons. The biggest one is well, like this is cool, but the second reason why I like this is because these types of businesses I actually think are incredibly easy to set up. And if you could start getting reviews and if you could start getting people to use it

Very valuable. So basically this website it I don't know what it's built with, but I bet you that there's some just like You could build this in like two or three days. And there's another good example of this, and that that's called um Uh VCguide.co. So we're talking about influencers and venture capitalists because that's in our world. But have you ever been to VCguide.co? Yeah, I've been to it, yeah.

Okay, so it's b it's a the most basic looking website you've ever seen and it's just a list of names and people vote on and or leave reviews on different venture capitalists. But I anyway, I think that this is a really, really cool business and I love this idea. There's another one that I was looking at called niche. Niche.com, which is not small, but they like it's the same type of thing, but just they do it for schools. And so I think that there's a lot of really cool businesses that could be built with this model. Another one that I think could exist and similar to influencers is pr like basically all the publishers out there, like Bustle Um

Who else? I don't I mean whatever. Just all they they pay freelancers by the article or by the word. And I think that you could if you wanted to, you could do a price per article for publishers. You could do how much anyone pays for anything, basically, in terms of freelance work. And so anyway, I think this is a cool business. It's called Fuck You Pay Me. I think it's awesome. Yeah, I think this is cool as like a I think it was started by a couple of influencers, right? Yeah. But I don't r I don't remember their name. Yeah, so I think it's a good um like

sol scratching their own itch, right? Like at some point they get tired of Working with clients that don't pay up on time or or try to renege on the deal and they say, look, if we band together, we could do this, and they already have a network of other friends who do this, they have trust. They know the problem, so I think that's a great niche business niche uh business to start. And if you're in a world like in an industry.

If you are in the automotive world, automotive manufacturing And you have fifty friends who work in that business, you could pretty like easily kinda get this going and it becomes addicting. I I remember I'm not on V C guy, thank God I'm not a V C but I do invest. But like let's see, are you on it, Sean? Like you start checking your name all the time.

Yeah, exactly. You want to know what are people saying about me. Yeah, you check it all the time. And so anyway, I think like they're I think these are really interesting and uh this is kind of a cool one. I have a super quick idea I'll just do that's related to this. I saw this company I should give them a a shout out. I think it's called Pump. Um

And what they're doing is actually pretty cool. It's Um You don't like investor so you wrote great investor updates. I used to be on your inv I wasn't an investor in the hustle, but you used to send me the updates. Uh I don't know why I just It's cool. Like I could see it. Um and you wrote really great investor updates. Like it was clear, it was like

Just the right mix of like the info you need, not too much and not too little. And you had like a clear if you needed something to do. I see a lot of companies using that same template. I don't know if I stole that. If I took that from someone or if like you like Kevin Lee from uh the Ramen company, his updates look exactly the same. I don't know what it is, but that that style I feel like is everywhere now. Yeah, I don't I don't know where you got it from, but it's great. I wish more of the founders I invest in would do it because mine don't do that that's out there. They're all they're either like

Ultra detailed like we hired this engineer and this person and they used to work here. It's like all right, I I really just Okay, I'm glad you did that, but like what does that matter to me? Like it's two in the weeds for where I'm at. to help your business. And then they'll leave out like Here's how many customers we have and here's how much money's in the bank, here's much here's what we need, here's what our goals are. Like they'll leave that out, but they'll go into like ultra detail about other stuff. So um anyways the the

I I think in general investor updates take a lot of time. They're really healthy practice. But they're sort of like writing books right now. It's like You do this thing once a month or every couple months. Um And you write it, take some time to read, take some time to to to write. And I saw this company pump that was basically just saying, take your cap table.

And it lets you do like Twitter sized updates about your company. So you can just like Post a photo of something cool that's going on. Or a chart. What's the URL? Uh I don't know the URL. I think the brand I think the app or the company's called Pump. I think it's pr it might even be public. I might have to bleep it out. Um

But I was looking at it as a potential investment. Uh,'cause I really like this idea. I think that Um Updates that are more frequent. Will actually be more transparent.

Well actually be more useful. It'll be more easy to read, be easier to write. It'll get more interaction between the investors and the founder, because I can just hit the like button or I can just write a quick reply like looks awesome, or have you talked to this person? They're doing something cool. Or check out this. And um I think this is actually a way better way to do investor updates. It's basically like a private Twitter feed. for just you and your investors. And um that expectation of a bite sized bit of content is great. And it's on the uh

Play. Play store. I don't even know what what what the fuck is a play store. Is that like uh That's Google. Dude, I don't fucking need No, I don't know anything about that. Uh I'm looking at it now. This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Dude, you I've never been on the Play Store in my life. I didn't even know what that was. And it's like, What is Android?

I I I I'm sorry, I I don't know one person that uses the Android. Do you? Yeah. Like developers use it. I don't know. Dude Android's great. It has a great camera. The the Pixel's got an amazing camera. It's amazing. Dude, I don't know one person like closely here I th just thought everyone uses an iPhone. Except if you have Android and you're in my group chat.

You're out of my group chat, bro. Like you're killing the group chat with your inability to like send pictures and And all that. It's it's horrible. But I'm looking at Pump. It's also in the app store. I actually think this is cool. There was this other company that people were were were saying was gonna be really cool. I I forget the name of it. You might remember it though, and it was like how to collaborate with your investors better. What was that called started with a C. Cup Cabal, I think that's the one. I saw Cabal. It seemed okay. This seems way, way interesting. I think this is better. That Cabal has a bunch of like cool people using it. And invested in it. So it might have like the the important people doing that.

But uh How did you find this? I like I like this product better. Uh, found this. Dude, I have a lot of help. Zach found this one. Uh for uh foroz found the Billy of the Week and sent it to me because he had been on the guy's yacht and sent me a picture of it and was like, You gotta feature this guy. Uh it's the a lot of my ideas don't come from me. Wow. No, that's amazing.

Um I would I would invest in that company. Yeah, I think that's really cool. Uh if you're if you're the founder, hit us up. We wanna we wanna invest in that. All right. You wanna do one more thing or you wanna save it? We should save it. This episode is gonna be a little crazy. We'll see if it's interesting. Oh, um, you wanna talk about my influencer update?

Yeah. You're like let's save it. But I want to talk about this. Well,'cause this that's actually not important, so we could hide it at the end. This was actually what I was gonna start with,'cause I found this hilarious uh and awesome, but I wanted to know what you're actually doing. Cause like you said it as a joke. So Sam texts the other day, he goes I think I I think you were joking, but you're like half serious. No, I was not. Maybe You were not serious or not joking? I think you I was serious. So to the same text.

I'm thinking about stopping trying to be a business influencer and just go to be a fit fitness influencer. I don't know if my face is good enough though. And so then I'm like, Okay, just a kind of random funny text. Didn't think much of it. And then you sent me this link to this Reddit post where you're like My fitness journey.

Yeah, like here I'm at, you know, twelve percent body fat, and here's my photos, and here's what I'm doing. I'm like, Oh shit, he's actually trying to do it. So what is this? What are you doing? So did you see my Instagram thing? The video? Yeah, I saw your video of your information. So here's why I think it's cool. Um I love exercise. I love to work out.

And I'm a little bored of just business content. And I look up so you want to know what I we're gonna talk about those next episode, but here's what I do late at night. Late at night, I go to Instagram and I love watching videos of ripped guys stretch. Do you ever watch it? No, no, I never do that. I gone I don't have new.

This is like getting really popular right now. There's these dudes who they do calisthetics and they're like sitting on like these bars and they like move their legs above their head or they uh They like do the splits. Or and they're not like jacked like dudes, but they're like skinny ish, very flexible.

And I'm like this is the way to live life. One hundred percent to be skinny and flexible. And there's I just I just in my head I'm like they're just Stretching all day and filming it, that seems awesome. I can do that.

And so that's kinda like how I wanna live my life right now, is I like watch these guys do like You know what your thoracic Thoracic spine is. Yes, like a middle, basically. It's upper back. So because like we sit

hunched over like everyone's got like a hunchback kinda and so the thoracic it's it's like I think it's really good to stretch. And so I just watch videos of guys stretch their thoracic spine. I love Nick Bear. Nick Bear was this huge beast of a guy who came on our podcast and he has this like pretty cool business and he just like runs marathon and lifts weights all day And I see this and I'm like, that sounds awesome. I totally want to do that. Also, additionally. I'm a little I got a little once like we sold the company, I got a little depressed because I was like

I live such a soft pussy life. Like I don't have any real threat to my life. I never have to fight. I never have to get like I never gotta go hunt for my food. I never am like afraid of getting eaten by a lion. Like I need some action and adventure. Yeah, I'm too comfortable. And so I was like this fitness thing seems cool, like let's just learn how to box or let's just do something like interesting and just document it. And I and I've loved it. And so I am not joking. I think I might do this. But when you say might do this, what does that actually mean? You're going to try to literally become a fitness influencer, meaning like You wanna be Sam uh you know, Sammy hamstrings who's got like amazingly amazing hamstr hamstring stretches or like what what do you actually want? What is the goal?

I think I could build a large following. I don't uh I I've ha besides like checking like other people's pictures. I don't post on Instagram at all and for some reason I have like five thousand followers. So I think that's a good base. I think I could build up this like reputation as this like Fitness slash businessy type of guy. Okay, fitness slash business. But you're talking specifically about stretching or no, any any fitness is fine. Uh I'm gonna focus on boxing and weightlifting right now'cause that's what I love. But I think stretching is like the way to go. Yes. I like there's so many people who Google

uh different stretching stuff. Dude, I'm telling you this this whole mobility movement, it's huge. And how committed are you to this? I mean I work out constantly. Like so. Doing the fitness stuff.

I haven't decided how uh committed I am because the reaction to your Reddit and Instagram thing? Because that probably just gave you a bunch of jet fuel of motivation to keep going. Well the pr pr i it was good th I mean the Reddit the the thing that Reddit was interesting. I just posted on a subreddit called Guess My Body Fat and like people but then I wasn't caring about that when I told you. What I was caring about is that someone said Your body fat is probably this. I don't know about Sean Purry's and I was like, Oh my God, that's crazy. Someone like recognizes us. And so but the Instagram thing that I posted, it got popular

But the thing is is that I actually think that like getting famous on social media is really cool and also it will make you very unhappy. And so that's my biggest thing. The biggest thing I'm nervous about is like do I actually want to spend time on this and go down this like Hedonistic uh like Uh you know Dedicating my life to something that maybe isn't actually that cool or important. But it does seem kinda neat. So anyway, that's my rant on becoming a fitness influencer. I think I could do it. I think I'd like have girl next door like a girl next door body.

You know what I mean? Not like we do, that's so true. It's like not intimidatingly you're not unach you're not unachievable, but you're also impressive. So it's like I I'm into it. But I feel like With enough work I too could be there.

Yeah, I got like so he's just a regular guy. I got girl next door uh abs, like you know, like You can do it too. And you have been doing it, by the way. You look great. Well, I'm trying, but I'm I'm I'm far behind where you're at. Yeah, but I had a head start on

It would have been fun if uh Like when I saw you post that thing, I was like, Oh damn, okay. So I've been doing this for one year now. Uh sense to do this for a while. Okay, let me see Yeah, it sort of put into perspective like Actually the girl the guy next door thing you said is so true,'cause that's actually the feeling I had, which was I was like

You know, when I look at random people on Instagram that are really ripped, it doesn't do anything for me'cause I'm like, Well, I'm not trying to do that. I'm not trying to be a gorilla. Like I'm not trying to like have nineteen you know, nineteen abs. But like Four? For nice abs?

That seems like both achievable and desirable to me. So I actually think you're on to something with this guy next door vibe. That's what I'm saying. It's like everything ever our podcast, people say, Oh, you guys make everything seem so easy and achievable and I'm like and and what did we say? We were like it kinda is. You gotta put in the work, but like It's not that hard in election. Nor are we that successful, nor are we that nor do we do that much research. So there's there's a uh a relatability to us. We're not smarter than you, we're not that much more successful than you, and we definitely don't do a ton of research on each individual topic. So we're not that much more of an expert than you on any topic. Yeah, like

getting shredded and being fit and like living a long, healthy life. That's why it's interesting to me. Also, the same way that whenever you post stuff Uh like people send you free shit like that drink company or like you know, you have you have a lot of like people who email you with amazing opportunities. Um It would be cool to get that for workout related stuff. So that's one of the reasons why I want to do it. Did I show you this? Have I shown you this? It's an axe.

I'm holding up an axe for those who are just listening, not on the YouTube channel. And it's called Chop it. So this guy sent me this. Dude, what do you think? Fuck, I don't give a shit.

I don't get anything. Bro, there's a method to the madness. Uh I think we asked for it or we told him like I saw this thing and we've messaged him and be like, Hey this is awesome. He's like, Oh I'd love to send you one. Uh it's really but what I do. I basically just have a bunch of DMs that are For products I think are cool and I just say, Yo

Shop fit looks dope. Congrats. You know, like something like that. And they're like, Oh, thank you, that's amazing And I'm like Yeah, I'd love to try. Or yeah, I'm excited to try it. I just let'em fill it in with like

Yeah, here you go. Anyway so he sent me this. It's a weighted axe. So it's basically Peloton the reason I'm showing you this isn't this just sledgehammer. It's yeah, but it's like more there's two of these. So you get two of these.

So you have two of these to work out with, one in each hand. And it's sort of like uh Peloton, but like okay, like I like the idea of Peloton, I like the idea of guided classes. But I'm not into biking. Like I don't love biking. I don't love running on a treadmill. So like I have the aqua bag boxing bag in my garage because I love hitting the aqua bag. It's like super fun to me. I love aqua bags too. So so so that's really cool. And then this is the new toy I'm starting to play with, which is like I like swinging this thing around. There's something that feels fun about this. It feels like I'm about to like kill somebody.

And uh you can get a pretty sick core workout with this thing and like kind of it also works the uh forearms really well too, because you're holding an axe which is like a lumberjack Those guys' arms are their forearms are insane. Do me a favor. Two

Tomorrow, whenever you're gonna go work out again. Just do it shirtless, do it outside in the sun, and take a video of you doing this and post it on Twitter. And I promise you it will get at least twenty five thousand views. People are gonna like comment to you and it's gonna uh comment about you and it's gonna feel awesome. You're gonna become a fitness influencer too. W I work out with no shirt every day, in the sun every day. It feels amazing, right? I take snippets because I'm I'm going you're going from fit to really fit. I'm going from fat to fit.

And so there's a big difference. You gotta strengthen be strategic, right? Like You don't wanna just post a before. It's gotta be like slightly impressive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta be like a montage that goes from shitty to like oh that's Really good. No, in your case it's like okay. So I'm storing up my ammo For the epic montage. You're like right now, you're like

There's like before and way before. Yeah, exactly. And so I I'm I'm I'm a good before photo now. But I had a way before that I've been w I'd been working towards. I'm not after yet. So I'm I'm waiting for the after. Now that's a bad move. Maybe I should be posting everything, but I think It has a bigger impact. if I do the before and after because th it should be impressive when you do it.

Okay, well this is the episode where we've just decided we're both gonna become fitness influencers. I think you should post a a picture of that. I don't wanna be a fitness influencer, but I do want uh to like do it myself. I've never done this. I've never Um It's done it. If you start posting the reason why I one of the reasons wh another reason why I'm doing it is I said out there I'm I'm gonna so right now I weigh two hundred and three pounds I and I'm try

Probably I'm twelve percent, maybe fourteen percent body fat, which is okay. That's pretty good. Um I said I put it on there I want to weigh one eighty five in three months. And a lot of people saw that and now if I they see me out there eating like an idiot, they're gonna like confront me and I think that that accountability is actually really good. So you know me and they're like, Oh we you know, we're not gonna e we're not gonna we can't go to this place for dinner anymore.

Uh you know what I mean? Like that type of thing. Yeah, that's funny. All right. Uh Ben, how did we do um This one was weird. It was weird, but I think people are really gonna like it. I think people like weird. Uh I actually think the

Uh Body influencer stuff was really good. I'll take that for a weird. Weakest part. Um The weakest part.

was Um I would say Probably the middle talking about like water bottles and stuff like that. That was Interesting but just the weakest.

The strongest was like the energy audit. uh stuff, time tracking, sleep talk, like when you guys work. I think that was super strong. Started super strong. And did super strong when talking about your like fitness journey. I the Sam Hosewater thing was By far my favorite part of the whole episode. Is that a real thing people used to call you hosewater or that was a serious thing? But I used I was joking, but I I used to drink out of a hose a hose all like I love hose water. You don't drink out of hoses, bro? Dude, are you are you considered funny?

'Cause I find you really, really funny, but you're funny in a surprising way. And I feel like you think you're funny. But almost that other people don't give you credit for being really funny. I think that I'm not that funny and I think most people don't think I'm funny. Really? Oh, you know you're funny. I think people most people do not find my humor to be I got like a norm McDonald humor. You either are into it or you're not.

Ha ha Mm-hmm. Uh just so everyone has like the background, that that joke that Sean told of Sam saying, I'm gonna own a lake someday He posted it in Slack and then like badgered us like five times afterwards. Did you guys see that? Did you guys have a joke? Was it a good joke? Fuck. And then and then we were like, Yeah, it was good and then then Ben comes in he's like

Sean, it was really funny when you said this thing. And Sam was like, What the hell, dude? My leg joke was way better than that. Oh my god, this this makes our lifestyle cooler than it really is. Future owner of the Lakers, future owner of a lake. Alright, we're out of here.

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