5 Random But Useful Things I Learned At A Private Equity Conference

All right, we are gonna do an episode that uh people really liked before. It was a trip report. I did a a trip report when I went to Austin. I just went to LA. And I wrote down a bunch of notes. So most people when they travel, I don't think they really do this, but I I call them micro memories where I just write down like one to three words.

That wouldn't make sense to anybody else, but it there's a story behind it for me, or there's something, some insight, some story, some crazy thing that happened. I write them down. All trip. And then what I did this time was I just published them on Twitter and I said, uh Hey, here's all my notes. Ask me about any of these. I wrote down twenty one things.

Why don't we try that, Sam? Why don't why don't we take this list of twenty one? And You just pick numbers that you think are interesting and then I'll I'll kind of explain I think for the trip. Feel like I can root

Well be what I want to Uh By the way, when you take these notes, where are you taking them? Like uh on your phone? Like you just have a running notepad on your phone? So I have two. I have a notepad, pen and paper that I take to everywhere I go.

And then I have also my phone in case I'm just like not there. So Apple it'll just be Apple notes or that. It's nothing fancy. And you discard the notepad after it's done or you refer back to this like constantly? Most people come home and they unpack their bags. I basically just unpack my notes. My bag is actually still sitting over there. It'll be there for three months. But what I do is the very next day Instead of saying, Oh, I gotta catch up on work and emails and Slack and all this stuff.

The first two hours I basically just take my notes. And I typed them out. And I try to squeeze, you know, twenty, thirty, forty percent more juice out of the trip just by reflecting and being like, Okay, what was that? What was that story? Oh, I should follow up with that person. Or What was the takeaway there and how am I gonna implement that?

Or um Oh, I need to sh uh this story I wanted to share with somebody. Let me write this and make sure I send it to that person. Um, and so I take a couple hours first thing and I basically unpack my notes. All right, tell me about the low status technique for becoming a high status person at a conference. Yeah.

Alright, so I went to reconvene, which is a real estate conference. And um Met this guy there that I really like this guy right away. And then I just noticed that he was like

Probably the most popular guy there. So there's maybe two hundred people there, 150 people there. He was my favorite and I think it was everybody's favorite, just based on the reaction I got. And I was watching him and I was like, What is this guy doing? That has made him everybody's favorite person here.

I think that's what we all want. We all want to be liked. Especially when we go to these, you know, big public events with strangers. And he's a big fan of the pod. His uh his name is Will, and he's got this Twitter account called Student Rent Pro, I think is his name. Basically what this guy does is he owns a bunch of rental property, student housing, like uh like

Houses for students n in South Carolina. So You know, frat houses, swardy houses Just students living together. He owns a bunch of properties there. Bootstrapped it. No out no outside investors. That's what he does.

I'm talking to him and he loves the pot. As soon as I got there, he makes a reference to the pod from like He's like He he introduces me to somebody else, he goes, Oh, this is Sean, he's real good friends with Orlando Bloom remembering this one Orlando Bloom story I said like three years ago. So I was like, Wow, that was a that was a deep Deep uh deep reference.

And he goes And so I'm watching him and I go How come everybody here loves you? And he goes. You know, uh you said that thing when Hassan Minhaj came on the podcast and he he shared this insight about comedy.

And this was before me and you were gonna get on stage. We were doing our first live show in Vancouver and I had texted Huss on a picture of like Two thousand people in the audience. And I was like, dude. Give me some tips like how the fuck are we supposed to entertain this crowd? We're podcasters. And he go and he said he goes

Start by talking about things you're see either you see there or you've seen in Vancouver. Just make a reference so that it's like I'm here. You're not getting my spiel, you're getting Me here right now. Presence. Because the second thing is

Uh comedy is a low status art form, meaning self deprecation, make fun of yourself. Call yourself out. poke fun at yourself. That is how you connect with people. And so This guy Will goes.

He goes, I stole that. I stole that hard. He goes, I've been doing that. You know, I once I heard that, I really r you know, own that. And so what he does at this event, somebody would be like, Um so what do you do? And he'd be like, Oh man, I have the Um I do the hardest form of real estate that will pay you the least amount of money. So you don't even want to talk to me. You go talk to him. He's he's awesome. And then somebody's like, What what does that mean? He's like I I I do student housing, but

But tell me about and he's always making it about you or making it about somebody else. And so he would make fun of himself. If if anybody ever gave him a compliment, even when I called him, you know, the favorite guy there, he was like, Oh, thank you so much for saying that. I'll be sure to disappoint you next time. Like he's just the master of this low status thing. And he said he did this, he's like Uh, he goes, So I s he t when we're at the event, he told me I stole that

And he goes, um I also use that on Twitter. He goes, Everybody on here, everybody in this conference at Twitter They always just go on there brag about their returns and brag about how awesome they are, brag about their method. He goes, I just did the exact opposite. I'll go on there and I'll talk about how Well

Today, you know, I'm I'm some nineteen year old bitch. I gotta go s I gotta go fix a toilet in a in a frat house right now. Uh uh you know, wish me luck. It's like I'm always talking about how bad my business is, how hard it is. How you know, I don't envy any I don't envy myself, like you know, whatever. He goes, I just say it how it is and I'll say I'll

actually shine a light on the worst parts of what it is. And And the uncertainties of what I'm doing. He goes, but he goes, I'll tell you what. I think I can out he's like I've never raised any money, but if I wanted to, I think I could outraise everybody here. Because

What I've been doing on Twitter has built a lot of connection and a lot of trust. And I just think that goes a long way. And then when I watched him at this conference He was doing something that Ben Levy's a master of, which is He realized that. The way to build value at a conference is not to puff your chest out and say, Oh, hey, come talk, you know, come look at me, come talk to me about my greatness.

What he would do is any two people, he would just connect them to each other. And then he would basically get the goodwill of having made that connection and he would just keep doing that and he'd be like, Oh, this is Sean. He'll never tell you this, but his podcast is a huge deal. This guy's a this guy's Podcast is incredible. You got to talk to him about this. And Sean, this guy, he's we call him the multifamily king of Dallas. This guy's like the flavor flavor of a conference. He's just hyping people up. He would just keep connecting people. He would give you this like really hyperbole intro where he'd he'd be your hype man, he'd make you feel good.

And he just kept doing that, kept making connections, kept giving people two ways to intersect. Oh, you know, you guys will get along because You're both really into X. Boom. And what What that does is just creates this like enormous glue and goodwill at a conference. So you need people like this at a conference, but also

For him, he actually ended up being the high status guy. He's the guy that everybody loves. He's the guy that everybody knew. And he's the guy that everybody uh sort of felt completely not on the defensive width. And so because people felt they could be real with him. They actually form real connections at the thing. I thought it was really awesome to see in person.

Two things. Dinner with millionaires and the richer the guy, the weirder the guy. Uh okay, the richer the guy, the weirder the guy is a Is an obvious one for me. So What we do with these events is we kind of stack meetings with

A bunch of interesting people that live in that city. So when we go to a city, often Ben will say, All right, here's you know a bunch of our friends, a bunch of people we know or loosely know. You know Who do we want to hang out with and how busy do we wanna make this trip? We we s and we sort of stack a schedule from there. And One of the things that really stood out was the more successful the person

The richer the guy? The weirder the guy. With really no exceptions during this trip. And when I say weirder, it would be that they have weird hobbies. would have that they have weird marriages or relationship dynamics. It would be that they have just like really weird social skills. And

What I realized was that I always by default That People are just normal chill. Just chill normal people, right? Like

I don't know, like I I just put that on people. That was my default assumption and I realized like I really need to stop making that assumption because it is way, way wrong when it comes to these kind of outlier successful people. And I thought about that and I was like

Is it that Like are they successful because they're weird, or are they weird because they're successful? And and I think there's a bit of both going on. So like For example I think they are successful because they're weird in that

They're willing to be unconventional, like You know, they didn't go get a job and they didn't They didn't look at some industry and assume it was like well run and they actually disrupted it and you know, they grinded it out for ten years, taking no salary to try to get to that success. So because they were willing to be unconventional in their career. It really shouldn't surprise her that they're also unconventional in their marriage and unconventional in their hobbies. Like what's an example?

Well, I don't wanna say a specific story to make somebody feel weird, right? Cause these people listen to the podcast, so it's not uh Uh you know, I I I don't wanna put them on blast like that, but I mean you've you've seen this in San Francisco. Yeah, I have. I think Those particular People.

they tend to be on the coast in cities like LA, San Francisco, and New York. I know a bunch of people that are worth nine figures that live in Missouri, where I'm from. Not a bunch, handful. And I think that they are shockingly actually normal. I think it's

If you've if you've gotten extremely wealthy at a young age and you live in one of these cities, you're Ver you should assume that they're gonna be a freak. Do you know what I mean? Uh there's also just like rough edges, so you know. social norms are very weird, right? Like

We were at a uh breakfast and there was two people there and they didn't know each other. And so we were like, hey, like, you know, um You know, I could make an intro, but it'd be easier, you know, do you just tell your you know, you just intro yourself. And like what I thought would happen if If I say, Hey, make an intro.

Like Sam, what are you gonna say if I say it is Hey, and maybe you guys introduce yourself so you guys don't know each other. Two people. I would say, Hey, what's going on? Uh, my name's Sam. Um I live on the east coast. Um I work in media the media industry. And I work on a podcast on super into health and wellness. Great.

You said your name, you say where you're from, you say what you do, and you say maybe something you're really into or kind of like a a hobby that's a big part of your life. Yeah. Totally normal. Chill thing to do. It was breakfast. Starts with his name.

And literally he finished Two minutes later. With his company's EBITDA. And like the terms of their recent acquisition. Like the the and I was like, what is going on? I was like, Yeah, I think rich people are just like really, really out of touch with what they are willing to share and overshare about their themselves. But that happens, I think that happens to you and I'm because if they if they listen to the podcast and they realize that we talk about numbers a lot. And what he was trying to do is to like

Either show off or impress you that yeah, I thought that this is just what you talk about all the time. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but I you know, um and it wasn't bad. Like it was actually really fascinating. It was interesting. But I did note like wow that You know.

That's not a normal thing to do. And I think that's yeah, uh I enjoyed it in the moment, but like And then by the way, the other person at the breakfast did the same thing. I was like, Okay, cool. We all just went deep really fast. Which is weird, but cool in a in its own way. So Yeah, the richer the guy, the weirder the guy.

What about um Dressing well versus dressing comfortably. Okay, this is right up your alley,'cause I think you are on a A big dressing well kick. Not not not displayed today with your white T shirt, but Do you right this is like uh

currently like a a fascination for you. This is an eighty dollar t shirt, Sean. So Is that an eighty dollar t shirt? It's the T shirt that the dude Jeremy wears in The Bear. So

It's called fashion. Uh hello. Nothing like buying an eighty dollar T shirt and then have somebody else say, Is it an eighty dollar T shirt? I apologize. Hello? Uh No, what am I?

Yeah, you you're speaking a language I don't even know. That's the problem. I I just can't even recognize it. I paid eighty dollars for this T shirt. So yeah. I think I know a thing or two about fashion. I mean obviously if you go to Los Angeles you're gonna see a bunch of beautiful people. And f I started just like paying attention to it while I was there, you know, on the flight. I was like, Man, people really like dressed beautifully for this flight. Like this is uh This is really cool.

And I remember that Paul Graham once wrote this essay called Cities. He says that every city is kind of whispering something in your ear. All the major cities. You know, San Francisco is sort of Whispering in your in in your ear. You're not ambitious enough. You gotta go bigger, you know.

You you want to launch rockets or you know artificial intelligence, whatever, you're not ambitious enough. And what does New York tell? They go, uh You're not powerful enough. They go, uh

Shapor. Yeah. Exactly. You're not rich enough. LA. Basically your whispers, you're not hot enough. And this is why people are injecting all kinds of shit into their face and their lips and their butt and all all kinds of stuff. And and to me that that part is a bit of a turnoff.

But I do appreciate the the Dressing well component of You're not hot enough. And the funniest part was I went and our buddy Sully lives in LA right now. And

I saw Sulli a few months ago when he was living in San Francisco. The guy transformed, dude. He went from like SF startup scrappy style. Yeah. Cool guy, LA chic, and not even like in a try hard way, just casual, right? Like just very casual, but well dressed casual. And I was so inspired by it. I was like, Wow, this is my same friend

Two different cities. comes across two different ways just b by you know a couple of choices. And I literally was just like he was like explaining to me, I was like, Shut up. I just looked at his tag. I took photos of his shirt while he was wearing it. I was like I'm buying this exact outfit and that'll be my starting point. And I realized, okay, you know, I I've had this in my mind, this choice, which was either dress comfortable or dress nice.

One or the other. It's not. But when I saw him I was like, Oh, he's comfortable and rice. Like, duh, that was a false choice. Stupid story I was telling myself. That was dumb. Pretty easy to change this. Um

And I remember ten years ago I actually hired a stylist in San Francisco to come to my house and she threw away All of my clothes. She took everything out of my closet. And then she took me shopping for one day and we bought a whole bunch of new stuff and it was like three grand to do it. And it was great. But that was ten years ago and like, you know, since then I have like gone back to my old ways.

And I've copied many things from Sullian life, mostly business stuff, but this is a uh something else I'm gonna copy from him, which is to uh you know do a very simple upgrade of style here. Do you know why you thought that Dressing well is the opposite of comfortably. It's just because your shit didn't fit right. If you if you wear like you can wear really nice clothes, like as much as a tie and a nice shirt.

If it fits well, it's not uncomfortable. I think that do you do you value art at all? Like does art talk to you ever, like do you ever feel feel inspired by beauty? Like Or in what in what form does it do do you find like Inspiration. Yeah, not paintings, but Me neither. Um

Yeah, things if they're like beautifully simple designs, right? Like a a lot of like furniture. Or interior design, like a space. Which is kinda like Like interior design of a space. to me is like it just really stands out. If I walk into a space that's got a certain vibe

It's like I don't know, it's just like uh I can't pay attention to really anything else in that moment because I know that that same space with just a different set of, you know, lights and furniture and plants and whatnot. would feel completely different. Same shell. You know, somebody has created this vibe. So I I agree. I like architecture and I like energy of a room and furniture.

And for years I thought art just meant like paintings or like Just like sculptures, sculptures. And I don't find inspiration from those things. And I thought Architecture or clothing, that's not art. That's a waste of time. That's a waste of energy. And then when I kind of like realized I'm like, no, it's actually like just as important as art. It's not a waste. And I started giving into that feeling. I realized it this is this is what makes like this things to my soul. I should like give into this stuff and it's worth the effort. This isn't sh you know, it's not simply utility. It could also be

Something that just in is in inspires me or just sings to me a little bit. And so once I realized that they're all it's all related to self expression and it's all art it kind of changed my perspective. Do you know what I mean? Or instead of just saying things like that, right? Music music is probably the easiest one to appreciate. Yeah. And it's and instead of saying, well, I'll just pay someone to do this, I actually realize, no, I want to learn like the I want to learn like what are these things communicating or like what goes like it is in a weird way in art, I don't want to just phone it in. I wanna actually figure out like what makes beautiful beautiful art or what language do I want to speak when I'm communicating this. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm also probably the only sucker that bought

Two NFTs because I was like, Oh, that's beautiful art. And I didn't mean it as like the cover your ass of like I'm just trying to get rich. Was that the holographic uh Kobe Bryant thing? The Kobe the Kobe Uh the Kobe floating into heaven one and the this other one that's just a strawberry. I was like, wow, this is beautiful. And I bought this strawberry NFT that uh you know is currently worth zero, but in my heart. It's still worth something. Um, all right, let's go to one or two more things. I w which one do you think is interesting? Okay, I think the little luxuries in life

Uh is a good one. I think Mike Posner is a good one. And yeah, I want to learn about him, but would that ruin the pod? No, it won't run the body. All right. So you interviewed Mike Poster. I've knew I know Mike Poster because of his song, like I took a pill on a beeza, it was like a the biggest hit, I think. But then I also know him Because he's kinda like a hippie mellow guy. I read about him or watched a YouTube video about him walking across America.

And so like he's actually a little bit more guruy. Not That he's a self describe that, but I am looking to him as like an energy guru a little bit. I wouldn't call him energy guru, but I know exactly what you mean, which is that he's an inspiring guy. So the the the backstory here is

Um I went to Duke and in my freshman year I heard that there's a guy in the dorm next door who's like some white guy rapper from Detroit. And I was like, okay, cliche. Um, and it turns out that that was Mike Posner. He's in the same year as I was. And he lived, you know, one building over And I remember hearing his songs before they ever went public. And you know, for example, um, Cooler Than Me, which was his first kind of hit song.

I remember hearing that And being like, okay, this is actually kind of catchy, but at the time I it just seemed far fetched to me, like Yeah, this guy's really gonna make it. And he wasn't the best rapper and he wasn't the best singer and all that stuff. So, you know, at the time we just sort of wrote him off. And then while we were at Duke, he blew up. I think the second or third year. Cooler than we took off.

And we used to hear that this guy was traveling like every weekend, he would just go do shows, concerts at other campuses, and he fly back he'd fly out on Thursday, you fly back Sunday night, and he's there on Monday for classes. And I remember being like, What the hell? And I'm like He had a meeting with Jay Z record label and I was like, Wow, this is crazy, what's going on. So anyways. That was how I initially heard of Mike Poser. And over the next I don't know, ten, fifteen years, he went on this journey where it was like a perfect three act story.

Which is kind of ironic because when I did the podcast I didn't cover any of the story as you normally would. So He is like a podcaster's dream. He's got a perfect three act story. It's the rise. You know, the unlikely rise of this college You know, m musician in his dorm room.

Who you know, becomes international pop star. Then he's got act two, the fall. Which is He's a one hit wanderer.

His next song goes triple platinum. But it's still not enough because it's smaller than the first song. Then the next song goes double platinum, which is even worse. And then his record label shelves him and he doesn't get even get to make music anymore. They won't release his music anymore for years. And is he like a does he also get into drugs and alcohol or no? He gets depressed. He's like, I live this lifestyle, you know, I was on the road, I'm taking my shirt off on stage, I'm the man. Now I'm not the man anymore. And it's kinda bummed out. And he hits rock bottom.

when he goes to a concert with his friend of IG, the kind of the one friend of the music industry who didn't write him off as like a has been. And He's now in general admission. He's in the crowd and he's like, I'm watching my friend on stage doing the thing I used to do, the thing that I wanna do, which is, you know, like do this concert in front of thousands of l of fans who love him. I'm sit I'm standing in the crowd just like a normal civilian.

And he's like, I'm hoping that somebody recognizes me. And then though somebody does, they come up to me and they go, Hey, are you Mike Posner? He's like and then I realized that was my worst nightmare'cause they're like, What are you doing here? Like wh why are you in the crowd? He's like and then I take a Like it's this guy offers me a pill and I take it and that becomes

That rock bottom is the s the genesis of the song. I took a pill in a beesa. To show Avici I was cool, the first line of that song. Yeah. That becomes the new hit. So it hits Rock Bottom, ends up making a hit even bigger than the first one, two billion streams on Spotify. And then again.

Feels a bit depressed because like, is this what I want out of life? And is I'm just chasing this high, this fame high. And that's when his dad dies and he the now act three, the rebirth. And this is where he ends up doing a bunch of things. He climbs Everest. And he g with his friend he actually climbed seventy one mountains to prep for Everest. And he has this quote, you know. You train for climbing a mountain by climbing mountains. And he c climbs seven mountains, he ends up climbing Everest. He then decides to walk across America after his dad dies.

He walks across. Two thirds of the way, he gets bit by a rattlesnake, almost dies, has to relearn how to walk. After he months of th therapy where he relearns how to walk Goes back to the spot where he got bit and resumes the walk and finishes it. And anyways, he's become this very happy, positive, upbeat guy. Now he's he's sober. He doesn't do drugs, he doesn't drink.

Um he doesn't watch porn. He like sings about songs that he he just wants to make art that inspires people. Cool. So he's got this like amazing story. I do this podcast where I talk about almost none of it. And the reason why was He's told that story before. And I'm in the season of sort of indulging my actual curiosities.

It's like let me have the conversation I actually want to have. And so I talked to him about, you know How do you actually make the songs that you make. Like what is the creative process for you? Like where does a pit song come from? How do you do that? and uh a lot of his mindset mentality stuff. So I think the podcast is gonna be great. But it's different than than probably what people expect, which is just kind of beginning, middle, and end of a story.

with someone like him who is famous, but maybe doesn't regularly have hits or tour. Just how d does he just have super lumpy income? I mean, how does he like survive between hits? Well so what he told me he was like um I was like, How did you do that? And he's like, Well, part of it is Like I got financial freedom. Like he's like

My like wealth manager guy sat me down and was like, Hey, we ran Monte Carlo simulations and like look like You're good. You're good. You're good. And so like you of course you can always make more. And of course, like you know, anything could happen, but like By and large. You're good.

If you don't let your lifestyle get fucking crazy, you're you're all right. 'Cause I so then that gave me the freedom of like, I don't even need to have another hit. Which freed which is like All of his hits have come from a place where he wasn't trying to make a hit. And every time he's tried to make a hit

He didn't make a hit. Right. It's like that irony of of the whole thing. And so um I go to his house, and by the way, the best thing to do with these podcasts is to go to people's house to film it. Was it nice? Well, I we filmed it in his studio, which is like a side house that he has. Like we didn't go to the main house.

But it's cool. It's at the top of this mountain. So you have to like basically make a trek up this like windy road up to his mountain. I was like cool, I'll yeah, I'll pass on this windy road every day, but but the house itself was cool. It was the top of this mountain. And I'm standing there at a studio and he's he's like oh his Guy was like, Oh, he's got a he's got a meeting right now, he'll he'll be out in a second. So he comes out and I just hear from the other side like

WHHHHHH Like he's just so happy that he's like outside enjoying his day. He doesn't even realize that we're already there. Oh, you're here and then he comes in and he's just like a ball of good vibes. It's like energy was really like off the charts. And you could People don't know this, but

Uh Ari, we've talked about this, which is We get to see the guest. Before the lights turn on? And after the recording is over. And it's very striking.

what people are like Some people have a very stark contrast of the before pod and after pod pod versus when they're recorded. And some people are just like the same or even better when they're off camera. I would say Mike was a great example of somebody who off camera, like his energy was just very, very contagious. Extremely positive person, very nice to everybody in the room.

took the time to do that. Even afterwards when he had to go, like his manager was there, was like, Hey, we gotta go, Mike, we're late, yeah, we gotta go somewhere. He like stopped and was like hey um He's like, I gotta go do this real quick, but I don't leave. I wanna come back and say bye. Which like most musician pop stars Don't give a fuck.

Right. They don't need to come back and say goodbye. They they're just like, Yeah, thanks everybody, but you see ya I'm on to my next important thing. Cause remember, I'm a very important person. And instead he was like made you feel important, which I thought was. Did he remember you from Duke? Well, we didn't actually ever really cross paths. Like we didn't know each other when we were there. We just knew uh I knew of him, he didn't know anything about me. All right, let's do uh one or two more. Well uh what's the little luxuries? So this stood out.

We Again, we meet a bunch of people. One of the things we noticed was we would have a like a meeting or lunch or something or hang out go to someone's house who was like Super wealthy. And what we noticed was like, man, even if this person has like let's say ten times the network that we have.

They don't have like ten times the better life. They don't even have maybe two times the better life. I actually don't think But there's really like any link I and and I don't mean better life as in like Let's say their health or their family. Like forget those things. I'm talking about even just material life. Like there's not that much that they can spend on that We really need

um or would want. So we tr you know, and I'm on the lookout for it. Like what are ways that people use money, either spend money, invest money, whatever that is interesting to me. What I noticed was that There were very few luxuries that I actually wanted that other people had. And instead, well, we we we flipped it. And there was actually some really small little luxuries of life. So like when we were I was talking to Ben And Ben's like

Dude, dude, there's this little luxury of life I I I miss at this Airbnb. He's like the Airbnb had really cheap towels. He's like, Yeah, I've he's like, I just recently splurged on like having amazing bath towels. Is like and then I use two every time. He's like, it drives my wife nuts. I'll use two towels every time I'm out of the shower and like I bought the like forty dollar towel or the fifty dollar towel instead of the like five dollar towel.

He's like, but it's the little luxuries, man. And I was like, dude, that's me with socks. Like I will Like I hate having mismatched socks. So I threw all my socks away. When we got acquired, the only thing I bought was I threw all my socks away. And I asked, I said, What is the highest quality sock? And I just

That that you can find. What's the answer, by the way? Well the answer I got at that time was Bomba's socks. And now I actually have like custom socks. So I went to a manufacturer and I was like, Hey, I I want a sock like this. And uh so now I have like a hundred, two hundred pairs of custom manufactured socks on the factory that I I found off Alibaba. Yeah. Cause I like wearing crew socks. Like you know, like the kind of calf like Like socks, whatever Calin' socks.

Midcast? And um But like if you wear the Nike compression ones, they're too tight all the time. And if you just wear the Haynes ones, they're like kind of Uh they're good, but they're they're pretty basic. And so I kinda made my own hybrid.

Do you know that Gen Z makes fun of uh millennials for wearing Ankle socks. Good. I knew fascia would come back around and be on my side. You've been winning you win this one. Uh young people don't like Ankle socks. They like socks that show. So you're right. And like skinny jeans are not cool either, right? Like you gotta wear like

Big jeans or something. Yeah, uh baggy and high waisted pants are in. Thank God. Cause they're way more comfortable, by the way. Way more comfortable. But they call it uh the words called chougi. So when you are like a a thirty five year old and you wear skinny pants or skinny jeans, it's called you're being shoogy. That's like the the phrase. How do you use it in a sense? Like you're being chewy.

Yeah. Yeah, you could do that. Yeah. You could use it that way. Or you could say like I don't wanna wear skinny jeans. That's that's pretty chooky. Uh you could use it that way. But yeah, chogi means like uh Like for example, so uh Tight jeans, ankle socks. It's super choogy.

You don't want to be chooggy, man. Alright, well that's that's it. That was my LA trip report. I had twenty one things, we we talked about a few of them. Alright, that's the pod the world and no Be what I want to I put my law in it like my day's off On the roadless travel never looking back

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